Wormholes

And what about this part?

I believe that the easiest way to increase conflict is honestly reduce how many systems there are. I am not going to expand on how ccp would handle this. As it is irrelevant.

The problem isnt " not enough people in wh space" or "too many farmers". The problem is that the WH playerbase is spread across 2500 WHs, MOST all in tiny corporations. Rather than group up into formidable larger groups that are more likely to roam and pvp we instead have hundreds if not a thousand+ of 1-20 man WH corps. To be honest they contribute little to nothing to the WH community Save some laughs or easy ganks which rarely are that fun. By its nature very few corporations that are smaller than us are willing to engage. Without even knowing who me or my corporation is, a simple lookup shows 170 members and they instantly give up by posing or logging off.

C6 space has the fewest # of whs, and conflict is in no short supply here. We run into people often and frequently have great fights. No one is concerned over evictions or pos burns ( usually). They are boring and no one cares. It isnt about making people fight over systems or making us run into eachother more often, it is about making more corporations willing and interested in fighting. I am not condoning blobbing but at the end of the day whether a fight happens or not is up to numbers. I am not going to knowingly engage a fleet 3 times my size.

I am not saying force people into higher class wormholes, just slash how many there are. There are 500+ class 5s, 80% are occupied by inactive farmers or empty. We see similar results in lower class WHs. With so many empty systems why bother merging and joining a larger team?If it isnt empty its occupied by some tiny group that has no interest in fighting.

Tl;DR you can make us run into each other as much as you want but if were bigger than you its unlikely youll fight us, and vice versa. I isn't "being a carebear" or being a pussy its just logic.

Increasing WH population is 100x better solution than making wspace smaller.

Agreed on both counts, removing the amount of wormhole systems will pose so many new kinds of problems by the sheer virtue of people who'd get evicted by CCP themselves. This is partially why I approached the problem from the other direction entirely and started thinking of other ways to increase those odds of encounters. I also wanted to come up with a method that doesn't change the balance of the game at all, not even by making some system worth more than the other. In short, I was looking for a way to increase risk for everyone and not favor neither the small guys nor the big guys out there.

Not even close to the truth. Just like everyone, no matter how big or small, we have our quiet hours all the same. Increased chances of smaller engagements as well as bigger engagements will only help this for everyone, not the opposite. If during those quiet hours we find some group of 10 or less guys roaming about, farming or whatever really, we don't magically get the people from the more active timezones on for a large fleet. We go with what we have.

Like said numerous times before, please just stop commenting on this issue as with each of your replies, you continue burying yourself even deeper by not even beginning to understand w-space or w-space issues. Your crusade to increase AU/NZ activity is much better done elsewhere and in a completely different format. Bitching about it is never the answer.

This is 4 pages in I think and probably unlikely to be read by the [EDITED] poster of the above quote; but I really appreciate this statement. When we were starting out in our C2/C4 we bumped into Talocan United with our 7 or 8 man gang, and they brought 30 guys in various T1 or T2 ships into our hole. There was NOTHING we could do. The next 3 times we saw them, we just combat collapsed the hole, preventing any possible engagement.

The biggest problem in wormhole space is that people who do not want to fight do not have to unless you bash their tower, and even then it's just as likely that they're going to cut losses and move on. Sure, maybe you get around their defenses in C5/C6s occasionally because they're sieged, triaged, or getting blobbed by warp scram rats, but it's just a gank. They make up the cost of that dread in 3-4 sites.

The problem, as it stands, is similar to null-sec's problem; once they know you're there, they don't have to fight. We rely on the failures of our prey to get anything, but sooner or later the prey smartens up and the fun, easy ganks start to dry up. Unless we want to start "sov wars" in wormhole space (which most of us came out here to avoid) you just have to keep hunting the chain and hoping, and maybe ship down or use smaller fleets.

Svo.

I don't think it's reasonable to say that the lower class WH people are "bears" or "too scared to lose anything" when you're dropping 30 man T3/logi gangs on a 10 man corp. It's not that they're scared (though sometimes this is certainly true), it's that you blobbed the **** out of them. And you (plural) have a reputation of blobbing the **** out of people. And that's the only thing that your idea would encourage.

Again: you see the same people over and over because they are the only ones who can realistically fight you. The idea of random statics as you suggest simply increases the interaction of tiny C1/C2/C3 WH corps with mega C5/C6 WH corps. That's a bad thing.

-Liang

Once you start talking about throwing T3 blobs and capitals around, you've left the realm of anything that's reasonably experienced in low class wormholes. The interactions between C1-C3 and C5-C6 are just flat different. It's almost like they're not even the same kind of space - and in a very real sense that's true.

Again, I'm all for increasing good interaction but I'd be hard pressed to say a C2 connected to a C6 is a good interaction for anyone but the marauding C6 gank party. What would you say to splitting your idea into two classes of WHs: C1-C3 roving statics and C4-C6 roving statics?

-Liang

Ed: Also, a C2 with statics pointing at low sec / null sec / C2 would probably be my favorite WH ever.

Finally at least one comment where you don't resort to name calling and start making at least some sensible alternative suggestions. Splitting it so that low class and higher class holes get different traffic from the randomized static does make sense, although at the same time the way you propose it would throw the c4 people straight into the wolves and pretty much exclude them from the possible good this could bring.

Doctorkaba; No I did not, I said that's something I do, not that I'd want everyone to do it. Additionally, that doesn't always result in being welped by the said fleet that's superior on paper, as has been demonstrated time and time again.

Glad to see you're making some good points at last Liang

I agree that C5/C6 pvp is vastly different to C1-C4 pvp and if CCP added more high end to low end connections, it really wouldn't improve the quality of fights for either resident, but i think more high end to high end connections would.

I've only been living in a C6 for a couple months now and although i have been in some epic battles, they are few and far between and it's starting to feel like a rock, paper, scissors game. We need two things:
1. More reasons/opertunities fpor fights
2. More incentives for low end dwellers to aspire to move up to high end wormholes.