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So i wanna mine in lowsec...

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Hannz Blasterbon
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-01-30 02:10:44 UTC
Hi everyone, im a fairly new player to this game but feel i have a good hang of it, and would like to start mining in lowsec for more profitable and rare minerals. I've acquired a Procurer but just need the right fit to feel like id have a semi chance of avoiding destruction if i get ganked. Can anyone help me with this fit?
Debra Tao
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-01-30 02:17:33 UTC
You cannot find more profitable ores in low sec, that's sad but thats true. So don't go there to mine. You can mine more profitable ores in null though but if you want to try that i recommend that you enter a 0.0 corp that will help you mining safely.

Appart from that there is no police in low sec so tanking your ship will only delay your death, the only thing you can do to avoid death is warping out before you are pointed.
Hannz Blasterbon
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-01-30 02:19:02 UTC
that sucks, and yeah i was gonna train for ECM's and what not to break lock to break point and warp out if i was in trouble but i guess that doesnt matter now. thanks for the reply!
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#4 - 2013-01-30 03:59:03 UTC
Yes, definitely join a nullsec mining Corp if that's what you want to do. Meanwhile, don't mine in Highsec without a permit. ;)

Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com

Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#5 - 2013-01-30 04:27:18 UTC
Tip for you:

http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ore/

It's always worth looking at what ore is worth before you mine. For a fair time, Scordite was actually better than most ores in the game to mine. In part because people 'knew' that it was one of the worse ones.

Or people look at what each unit of ore is worth, rather than looking at how much it's worth per m3 (as you mine in m3, not ore units.)

Woo! CSM XI!

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Andracin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-01-30 04:27:43 UTC
If you want to mine in low sec use a venture in low sec not associated with faction warfare or near a 0.0 drop off. Keep your scanner going, ss up if something comes in. Its not going to be alot of profit-you can make more in high sec tbh, but if your into it just for the thrills of pulling it off...thats what I would do...
Debra Tao
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-01-30 05:12:45 UTC
Andracin wrote:
Its not going to be alot of profit-you can make more in high sec tbh


Can you disclose the name of that secret ore that exists in low sec and not in high sec and that will provide a higher income for someone mining in a Venture compared to high sec ? I am curious.
Andracin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-01-30 05:24:49 UTC
Debra Tao wrote:
Andracin wrote:
Its not going to be alot of profit-you can make more in high sec tbh


Can you disclose the name of that secret ore that exists in low sec and not in high sec and that will provide a higher income for someone mining in a Venture compared to high sec ? I am curious.


apparently you missed the NOT alot of proft part...and the you can make MORE in high sec part. Especially since I recomended a mining frigate over a barge he has skills for in high sec. I responded to the OP desire to mine in low sec. Believe it or not there are a handful of pilots who get their jolly by sneaking in and mining in ventures under evil pirates noses. There are a couple I chat with occasionaly in my home system...You absolutely can make more isk/hr mining in a barge in high.
Debra Tao
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-01-30 05:36:58 UTC
oups sorry :D
Dave stark
#10 - 2013-01-30 10:58:47 UTC
Hannz Blasterbon wrote:
Hi everyone, im a fairly new player to this game but feel i have a good hang of it, and would like to start mining in lowsec for more profitable and rare minerals. I've acquired a Procurer but just need the right fit to feel like id have a semi chance of avoiding destruction if i get ganked. Can anyone help me with this fit?


you're a new player, i am not. so trust me when i say only idiots mine in low sec. mainly, because for the most part it's true.

your isk/hour will barely be better, you will then have the cost of logistics to pay, then you have to replace all the ships you will lose because even with a million hp tank once you get scrammed you can't warp out and you will die. so there's the cost of replacing ships.

just stay in high sec, or go to 0.0. low sec is a complete joke for miners.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#11 - 2013-01-30 13:24:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Debra Tao wrote:
You cannot find more profitable ores in low sec, that's sad but thats true.



Another absurdly wrong statement.

edit: Also, yesterday you stated you don't mine.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2534501#post2534501

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Eternal Justice
Eternal Investments
#12 - 2013-01-30 13:30:04 UTC
Do it in a Wormhole c1/HS
Arcaus Rotrau Romali
Empyrean Enterprise Conglomerate
#13 - 2013-01-30 14:56:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Arcaus Rotrau Romali
If mining in Lo-sec is what you want to do for the fun of it by all means load up and head out there, I do it myself sometimes, there is a bit of a pucker factor that makes it more interesting than mining in Hi. If you're doing it for ISK alone you should use one of the tools mentioned above to find the most profitable ore as you can oftentimes make more from hi-sec ores.

As for a Proc fit, it's been a while since I looked at mine but basically I use:
2 warp core stabilizers to avoid most warp scramblers (these will reduce your targeting range)
Shield extenders and shield hardeners in the mids and rigs


Some tips from my experience:
~ Check the map before you travel, look at the # of pilots in the system, # of ship/pod kills in the past hour and day, even pirates killed to get an idea of how much traffic the system sees.
~ At the belt move to the far side away from the standard warp in point to give you a bit more time if you need to warp out. Set bookmarks there so you don't have to warp to the standard point and slow boat to the rocks.
~ Always watch local, check the profile of anyone who warps in for sec status, bounties, and corp. About half the people I encounter are hunting rats. Watch for regular visitors, add good and bad contacts.
~ Know what you're after, don't waste time piddling about, you might get one cycle before you bug out or you might get to fill your hold a few times.
~ Use combat drones and maybe one salvager depending on your skills, skip mining drones.
~ Align to a gate while you mine.
~ The more belts the better, many pirates just travel from belt to belt but you can also be scanned down and have one drop on top of you.
~ Don't get greedy, usually when I tried to get "just one more load" I'd lose my ship.
~ When you get blown up don't get mad, ask for advice from the pirate, I got some good tips from some of them.
Kimo Khan
Rage Against All Reds
GunFam
#14 - 2013-01-30 15:49:42 UTC
Ultimately it is better to use a Venture than a Procurer in low sec. (unless you have support)

Venture aligns and warps faster.
Venture is cheaper
Venture already has 2 warp stabs in its fit without the penalty.
Venture has a smaller hold, but its speed, cost and mobility makes up for this.
Venture can get through a gate camp easier than a procurer, not to say it always will, but procurer has almost a 0% chance to make it through a gate camp.


Fit a venture for mining yield, scanning and maybe agility. Don't even try to tank it, because the tank will cost more than the ship and provide little benefit. It you fit for ECM that means you are thinking of sticking around, bad idea. Venture is designed to be slippery and yet mine.
Arcaus Rotrau Romali
Empyrean Enterprise Conglomerate
#15 - 2013-01-30 15:55:49 UTC
^^ That is another good way to mine in low
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#16 - 2013-01-30 16:17:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Bugsy VanHalen
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Debra Tao wrote:
You cannot find more profitable ores in low sec, that's sad but thats true.



Another absurdly wrong statement.

edit: Also, yesterday you stated you don't mine.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2534501#post2534501

While it is true there are good ores in low sec at the moment. Right now according to Cerlestes.de the top thre ores are Hed Ark and Hem, Hed and Hem both being low sec ores. So I assume this is what drove the OP to look into mining in low sec. Hedbergite is the #1 ore right now. And it is found in low sec.

The problem is however you can not mine efficiently in low sec. A barge or exhummer is just to slow. Even a Skiff with a 120 ehp tank will get tackled and destroyed. You may find a quite corner in low sec with no activity, but unless you have a Roqual to jump your ships there it is not worth the effort. Even a maxed tank Skiff would never make it 10-15 jumps into low sec without getting caught.

If you do jump a Roqual containing a mining fleet into some backwater low sec system it is only a matter of time before you are found. A roqual mining op in low sec will draw a lot of attention, within a very short time of starting it up. It can be done, but the logistics are insane for such a small boost in profits. You also have a very high chance of losing your fleet before you even make enough to replace the lost ships.

The only way to some what safely mine in low sec is, as already stated, with a venture. If you are smart, watch you D-scan, you can GTFO before you get ganked. However the low yield of a venture,(980m3/min with maxed skills and drones) combined with safing up when ever threatened will leave you with an isk per hour far lower than you can get in high sec.

On a side note I have seen several H,H,& J grav sites spawn in high sec lately. they are probably getting flipped more often due to there current increase in profitability.
Niveuss Nye
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2013-01-30 16:33:47 UTC
I am newish too and it pains me to have to depend on the market for certain minerals. I feel you.

But, you got to look at it as a profit/loss deal.

Yeah, I can go in there with a Venture to a backwater low sec system. I can watch local. I can stay aligned and have my finger glued to d-scan.

But - I still have to get out of there. I still have to contend that the populace - EVEN IF I AM IN THE SAME FW MILITIA - may want to try to pop me for a easy kill.

Also, in a frigate like the venture (which would be the only thing not risky and can GTFO) as opposed to a retriever, I am limited to how much I can carry out at one time AND have good yield. That is, unless I want to present myself as an eaven juicier target like a indy transport or retriever.

Time is money, too. Is it worth my time? Is it worth a ship with fittings?

Now... a battle retriever......Pirate
Debra Tao
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-01-30 17:05:18 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Debra Tao wrote:
You cannot find more profitable ores in low sec, that's sad but thats true.



Another absurdly wrong statement.

edit: Also, yesterday you stated you don't mine.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2534501#post2534501



1v1 Ragnarok at the sun, punk.

Also i don't have to mine to know that low sec isn't worth the risk, just open a spreadsheet and look at the results.
Arcaus Rotrau Romali
Empyrean Enterprise Conglomerate
#19 - 2013-01-30 17:13:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Arcaus Rotrau Romali
@ Niveuss Nye - You have a good point but I would add fun to the profit/loss statement.

I chose systems that were unpopulated, no FW, no POS and usually only had at most 2-3 pilots active at a time but even though I avoided those 'busy times' it was still a cat and mouse game. I did it for the challenge because so many people here on the forums say it can't be done ... it can, doing it profitably is another matter.
Dersk
Perkone
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-01-30 17:49:43 UTC
Debra Tao wrote:
Also i don't have to mine to know that low sec isn't worth the risk, just open a spreadsheet and look at the results.


You may want to update your spreadsheets.

http://ore.cerlestes.de/index.html#site:ore
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