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Roc Wieler
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2013-01-30 16:28:59 UTC
Two step wrote:
Do you feel that you can work with people like CCP Punkturis and CCP Dolan after writing blog posts like this one? Will you be writing creepy posts about other CCP staff as well?


Absolutely to both questions! Here's the secret to the character of Roc Wieler. Those of us that are "in" on the gag realize it's all in good fun. It's when we start taking ourselves too seriously that real issues arise.

Never start a fight you can win.
Roc Wieler
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2013-01-30 16:30:52 UTC
ry ry wrote:
Roc. dude.

Your relentless self-promotion should be a means to an end - not an election platform.


Thank you for posting.

I will politely disagree. My self-promotion is actually my platform. I'm not making any empty campaign promises to players. I'm not trying to mislead players.

I'm selling me, my value, my virtues, my voice. Regardless of any situation I would run into as a CSM member it is because of confidence in me that players should know the issue would be dealt with fairly, with deep analysis, and no shenanigans.

Never start a fight you can win.
Roc Wieler
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2013-01-30 16:32:50 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Roc Wieler wrote:

Here's my approach to all things in life:
- what is position 1?
- what is position 2?
- can the two co-exist? If so, how?
- if not, what is the best course of action for my demographic

That last point is often the scariest in any project regardless of medium as you are undoubtedly going to make some people unhappy.

In the case of a "safe" high sec, here is but one idea:
- flag modules as aggressive

In a nutshell it essentially means you can't have any "aggressive" or "combat" oriented modules fit when you undock. If you do, you can be attacked, as per normal gameplay. If you don't have any of the aggressive or combat modules fit in high sec, then you have safe passage through highsec systems.

This caters to the carebears but also allows for mistakes to be made, and thusly, maintains EVE's harsh learning curve...


So open-season on mission runners? Or on miners with combat drones in their drone bay?

Interestingly, I made almost exactly this suggestion a few years ago, as a reducto ad absurdum proposal during one of the many, many suicide ganking threads as an illustration of what some of the more extreme "anti ganker" proposals would lead to.

Sadly, no one was enthusiastic. Apparently CCP should be able to code the game to know who's undocking with weapons with criminal intent and who merely intends to murder NPCs.


I also think that highsec players would find it unfair that they are penalized for safety in the sense that they would have to buy the diplomatic immunity tokens, etc, etc.

This is why I welcome open discussion at the table. Throw ideas against the wall. See what sticks. Develop it into something presentable then see what CCP does with it.

Good luck to you in the election.

Never start a fight you can win.
Roc Wieler
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2013-01-30 16:35:00 UTC
Seleene wrote:
Two step wrote:
rodyas wrote:
Quote:
Do you feel that you can work with people like CCP Punkturis and CCP Dolan after writing blog posts like this one? Will you be writing creepy posts about other CCP staff as well?



^ Isn't that what the massing drinking is for? At least now, I think I would drink as much as you guys do now.


The devs go out drinking with the CSM because they aren't afraid we will roofie them and drag them back to our hotel room.


Goddamn. LolLol

Roc is a cool guy. He's never taken advantage of me, even when he could have...


At least not that you remember...

Seriously though, Seleene understands, as do most of the existing CSM and CCP teams. There's playing a character and there's been an asshat in real life.

To compare me to Bolton III is downright insulting. I can hold my liquor, thank you very much.

Never start a fight you can win.
Kelduum Revaan
The Ebon Hawk
#25 - 2013-01-30 16:43:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Kelduum Revaan
Roc Wieler wrote:
Here's the secret to the character of Roc Wieler. Those of us that are "in" on the gag realize it's all in good fun. It's when we start taking ourselves too seriously that real issues arise.


I entirely agree...

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/26/health/bodybuilder-gamer-avatar-inspiration/index.html

CNN wrote:
"We were all just a bunch of pathetic losers," Dickinson remembers. "We paid good money to fly all the way to Iceland and instead of enjoying Iceland, most of us spent all our time sitting around playing the video game we already played back home."

...

Iqbal says she keeps her husband from crossing the line between fantasy and reality. She's not a big fan of Roc -- she prefers her men balanced, with a feminine side. When Dickinson slips into Roc's deep voice with a "Hello, darling..." greeting after work, "I'm like 'Oh, shut the hell up,'" she says.

"I have to remind him that it is a character."
Roc Wieler
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2013-01-30 16:57:46 UTC
Kelduum Revaan wrote:
Roc Wieler wrote:
Here's the secret to the character of Roc Wieler. Those of us that are "in" on the gag realize it's all in good fun. It's when we start taking ourselves too seriously that real issues arise.


I entirely agree...

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/26/health/bodybuilder-gamer-avatar-inspiration/index.html

CNN wrote:
"We were all just a bunch of pathetic losers," Dickinson remembers. "We paid good money to fly all the way to Iceland and instead of enjoying Iceland, most of us spent all our time sitting around playing the video game we already played back home."

...

Iqbal says she keeps her husband from crossing the line between fantasy and reality. She's not a big fan of Roc -- she prefers her men balanced, with a feminine side. When Dickinson slips into Roc's deep voice with a "Hello, darling..." greeting after work, "I'm like 'Oh, shut the hell up,'" she says.

"I have to remind him that it is a character."


Thank you for bringing this up, as I knew it would come up sooner or later, so it gives me a chance to deal with it early.

"We're all a bunch of pathetic losers." I stand by this comment 100% even if the meaning didn't translate well. You see, our characters are immortal gods, piloting massive spaceships with the power of their brains! By comparison, we fall short, badly. Most of us, if we're honest, don't have ideal self-image, myself included.

It was my first visit to Iceland and I was in awe of how gorgeous it was, and instead of seeing that same passion shared around me, all of us, including me, sat around talking about EVE Online.

This statement was about my own hypocrisy and the irony that we would all fly so far to completely ignore the beauty around us instead to focus on our other passion, New Eden. Sadly, it was a sweeping statement. I don't know how many times other people had been. Maybe they were bored of Iceland. Maybe it was my own insecurity coming out.

That is what was meant by this statement. It was never intended as a slight towards anyone, but not much I can do about it once it's out there, right?

As for my wife reminding me not to be Roc, that's meant more about the fact that I use the idea of Roc Wieler as my own motivation at the gym. WWRD? He would push a little harder on that rep, he wouldn't rest as long between sets, he would give it everything he has.

I live my life that way now.

So no, I don't take myself too seriously. There's no need to as there are enough people out there already that do.

Never start a fight you can win.
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#27 - 2013-01-30 17:23:33 UTC
Where did you find time to actually play EVE during Fanfest? #BallTilliFall

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM
Roc Wieler
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2013-01-30 17:29:10 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Where did you find time to actually play EVE during Fanfest? #BallTilliFall


LOL not so much "play" EVE as talk about it incessantly. Good times. Big smile

Never start a fight you can win.
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-01-30 20:49:10 UTC
You know that should you be a successful candidate, one of your responsibilities may involve flying to Iceland to sit around and talk about Eve incessantly, right?

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#30 - 2013-01-31 05:16:31 UTC
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Wait. Are you advocating an RNG-based system to determine whether or not players are allowed to be attacked in highsec or not?

...


......... and a 5, sorry you lost the RNG roll, so no answer for you.

Signature removed for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne
CCP Dolan
C C P
C C P Alliance
#31 - 2013-01-31 10:31:10 UTC
Roc Wieler wrote:
To compare me to Bolton III (CCP Dolan) is downright insulting. I can hold my liquor, thank you very much.


I can hold plenty of liquor. At least one drink in each hand, and I can probably squeeze in two or three more glasses in-between.

CCP Dolan | Community Representative

Twitter: @CCPDolan

Gooby pls
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#32 - 2013-01-31 11:02:53 UTC
First CCP comment on a CSM candidate's thread. I call bias.
Roc Wieler
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2013-01-31 16:02:31 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
You know that should you be a successful candidate, one of your responsibilities may involve flying to Iceland to sit around and talk about Eve incessantly, right?


Absolutely, but it wouldn't be so much about "look at my killboard" and general forum-type whining, but rather discussion of the systems and improvements possible within Eve, which excites me terribly.

Never start a fight you can win.
ry ry
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2013-01-31 18:55:01 UTC
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
First CCP comment on a CSM candidate's thread. I call bias.

You say that like Dolan's endorsement is a good thing! Big smile
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#35 - 2013-01-31 18:56:01 UTC
CCP Dolan wrote:
Roc Wieler wrote:
To compare me to Bolton III (CCP Dolan) is downright insulting. I can hold my liquor, thank you very much.


I can hold plenty of liquor. At least one drink in each hand, and I can probably squeeze in two or three more glasses in-between.


Pft 'hand'

amateur

call me when you can drink a glass of beer with no hands at all

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
ry ry
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2013-01-31 19:42:37 UTC
Roc Wieler wrote:
ry ry wrote:
Roc. dude.

Your relentless self-promotion should be a means to an end - not an election platform.


Thank you for posting.

I will politely disagree. My self-promotion is actually my platform. I'm not making any empty campaign promises to players. I'm not trying to mislead players.

I'm selling me, my value, my virtues, my voice. Regardless of any situation I would run into as a CSM member it is because of confidence in me that players should know the issue would be dealt with fairly, with deep analysis, and no shenanigans.

I'm genuinely considering voting for you - I get the joke, and you annoy two step which in itself is nearly enough, but your whole platform confuses me a bit.

Are we voting for Marcus or Roc here? Are you going to be a passive member of the CSM or do you have anything to bring to the table beyond mediating blue-sky scenario solution synergy moving forwards?

Most importantly, what is the likelyhood of mbolt being kidnapped and subjected to a degrading sexual assault?
Raleit
Galactic Deep Space Industries
Brave Collective
#37 - 2013-01-31 22:25:45 UTC
Well i think that is great!
what process did you have to go through to run for the CSM?

How is your campaign doing?

I like your idea's and you certainly have a great BIG PICTURE concept.

Drive on!

Raleit
Roc Wieler
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2013-02-01 14:07:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Roc Wieler
ry ry wrote:
Roc Wieler wrote:
ry ry wrote:
Roc. dude.

Your relentless self-promotion should be a means to an end - not an election platform.


Thank you for posting.

I will politely disagree. My self-promotion is actually my platform. I'm not making any empty campaign promises to players. I'm not trying to mislead players.

I'm selling me, my value, my virtues, my voice. Regardless of any situation I would run into as a CSM member it is because of confidence in me that players should know the issue would be dealt with fairly, with deep analysis, and no shenanigans.

I'm genuinely considering voting for you - I get the joke, and you annoy two step which in itself is nearly enough, but your whole platform confuses me a bit.

Are we voting for Marcus or Roc here? Are you going to be a passive member of the CSM or do you have anything to bring to the table beyond mediating blue-sky scenario solution synergy moving forwards?

Most importantly, what is the likelyhood of mbolt being kidnapped and subjected to a degrading sexual assault?


You're actually voting for both.

The character of Roc reminds me to always be conscious of all that has come before within the history of New Eden and to make sure that any idea, no matter how big or small, integrates to the existing lore of the game. It has also been through my writings as Roc where I have found many things ingame lacking as well as remembering the moments that I enjoyed the most.

I draw on all those character experiences, as well as my player experiences, to bring my own insights to the CSM. There really is no difference between me and any other veteran player. We've all experienced much and have our own views on things.

The "unique" quality I bring, my platform of "no platform" is that I have no problem being heard, I can intelligently debate and resolve issues, and have always been a natural leader.

For me, it's not about pushing an agenda or delivering pipe dreams to players - it's about making sure that every player feels they have honest and dependable representation at the CSM table.

If you vote Roc, you can depend on that.

Never start a fight you can win.
Roc Wieler
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2013-02-01 14:14:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Roc Wieler
Raleit wrote:
Well i think that is great!
what process did you have to go through to run for the CSM?

How is your campaign doing?

I like your idea's and you certainly have a great BIG PICTURE concept.

Drive on!

Raleit



Thank you.

To be honest, my campaign is doing about as well as it has in years past, which is to say not too good when looked at from purely a "securing a seat on the council" point of view.

I've been advised, now and in the past, to play the game, to pick my stances on the hot topics, to cater myself to the players I think can vote me in, but that honestly is not what I have ever been about. I don't play partisan politics.

My belief is that in a democratic environment everyone's voice is equal and valid and that it is the responsibility of each and every CSM candidate and member to consider the opinions of all. There is no room for pushing agendas and quite frankly, very limited power within the CSM to influence actual change. It does happen on occasion.

My poor campaign results are often because players fall for this greatest scam. They chase the carrot instead of dissecting the CSM for what it really is and voting not for those that agree with their views and promise game changes but rather should vote for those that have demonstrated a commitment to the very community that enables the CSM to exist at all. Integrity, consistency, experience, education, passion, a proven drive to do whatever it takes to reach goals ... those are the kind of people we need in the CSM.

I promise no carrot. I only promise consistent honesty and dedication to this community, to never back down from any challenge I am faced with, to arm myself with the voices of all capsuleers. For most, that's considered a "non-platform" and I am disregarded.

Still, even if it is only my lone voice that continues, it is my own beliefs I have to be true to.

Never start a fight you can win.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-02-01 18:02:26 UTC
Roc Wieler wrote:
For me, it's not about pushing an agenda or delivering pipe dreams to players - it's about making sure that every player feels they have honest and dependable representation at the CSM table.


You have a guy who enjoys ganking freighters and another guy who flies loaded freighters (and doesn't enjoy losing them, obviously)

How can you say you represent both of them?

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar