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Suggestion for improving 75 mbit drone ships and their mixed drone flights
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Takeshi Yamato
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-01-29 20:24:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Takeshi Yamato
On drone ships with 75 mbit bandwidth, the drone combination for maximum dps is 2x Ogre II, 2x Hammerhead II, 1x Hobgoblin II = 315 dps

Maybe I'm just a bit OCD but I think mixed drones are impractical. So I would like to propose the following to happen to 75 mbit droneships:

Bandwidth is reduced to 50 mbit, drone bay is reduced to 150 cubic meters and drone damage bonuses are changed to +20% damage for medium drones per level, +10% damage to light drones per level, +45% damage to heavy and sentry drones per level. This gives the following

5x Hammerhead II with a +100% damage bonus = 316 dps

The approach of mixing different sizes of drones no longer gives maximum dps, since 1x Ogre II 2x Hammerhead II, 1x Hobgoblin II = 297 dps.

A full flight of heavy, sentry or light drones does the same dps as before.

The final dps doesn't change and the drone bay still holds the same number of flights.



PS: to elaborate on why I find the current situation impractical:

Currently with 75 mbit drone ships, If I want to use 3x max dps flights, the procedure is as follows: load the fit, open drone bay, separate the stack of 6 ogres into 3 stacks of 2 each, separate stack of 6 hammerheads into 3 stacks of 2 each, then separate the stack of hobgoblins into 3 stacks of 1 each. This can only be done while docked by the way. After undocking, I actually have to put 2x ogres, 2x hammerheads and 1x hobgoblin into a specific group, and repeat this another two times.

During combat, replacing a destroyed drone or deploying all lights and mediums is a also a bit tedious.

In contrast, with 5x medium drones being the max dps combination, I can load the fit, undock and be ready to fight. If I want to bring a different set of drones then I only have to assign two drone groups.
Takeshi Yamato
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-01-30 08:58:08 UTC
Bumping to give this some more exposure.
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#3 - 2013-01-30 10:51:33 UTC
Takeshi Yamato wrote:
Give me more of everything because I want max dps but don't want the issues that come with it, instead of using 5 lights+5 mediums. So because I want the pros (which barely exist) without the cons I'd like you to buff droneships to hell and back.


No.
Residium Fall
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-01-30 11:26:04 UTC
So super amazing game breaking flights of Warriors and Hobgoblins that smash through everything just to get rid of mixed flights because they're a bit fiddly?
Sinigr Shadowsong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-01-30 11:33:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Sinigr Shadowsong
Drones are already outdated, clunky and mostly unrewarding. Forcing medium-size drone ships to use mixed drone setup is unnecessary difficulties for no reason.
Imagine having to fit a BC with 2 Large, 2 Medium and 1 Small turrets in order to get reasonable DPS - this will still be less confusing than 75 MB/s Drone Bandwidth.
Takeshi Yamato
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-01-30 12:32:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Takeshi Yamato
Residium Fall wrote:
So super amazing game breaking flights of Warriors and Hobgoblins that smash through everything just to get rid of mixed flights because they're a bit fiddly?


Light drones will do the same damage as before. It's a good idea to read the entire post before replying.
Takeshi Yamato
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2013-01-30 12:34:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Takeshi Yamato
Vilnius Zar wrote:
Vilnius Zar wrote:
Give me more of everything because I want max dps but don't want the issues that come with it, instead of using 5 lights+5 mediums. So because I want the pros (which barely exist) without the cons I'd like you to buff droneships to hell and back.


No.


Nowhere am I asking for "more of everything" or "buff droneships to hell and back". In fact my proposal is completely dps neutral.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#8 - 2013-01-30 15:03:00 UTC
As I said in another thread - seeems a lot of the drone design has got left behind as the game has moved on over the last few years and a complete overhaul would be better than trying to patch over the cracks here and there piecemeal.
Goldensaver
Maraque Enterprises
Just let it happen
#9 - 2013-01-30 15:18:43 UTC
Takeshi Yamato wrote:
Vilnius Zar wrote:
Vilnius Zar wrote:
Give me more of everything because I want max dps but don't want the issues that come with it, instead of using 5 lights+5 mediums. So because I want the pros (which barely exist) without the cons I'd like you to buff droneships to hell and back.


No.


Nowhere am I asking for "more of everything" or "buff droneships to hell and back". In fact my proposal is completely dps neutral.

Takeshi Yamato wrote:
Residium Fall wrote:
So super amazing game breaking flights of Warriors and Hobgoblins that smash through everything just to get rid of mixed flights because they're a bit fiddly?


Light drones will do the same damage as before. It's a good idea to read the entire post before replying.


Yeah, I don't see what either of them are talking about. The light drones are left exactly as is, and though I wondered at first, after about 10 seconds of thinking about it I realized it was for exactly that reason, so big ships wouldn't dominate small ships by sending super lights after them. The mediums were because most 75 mbit drone bays are on medium sized hulls (I think all of them are). And you could do this with a slightly larger bonus for the Myrm too.


And as far as the removal of the issues tied with heavies (big, slow, bad tracking, etc) most of those are actually mitigated in the brawling range where the droneships like to hang out most times, thanks to tackle and having the enemy next to you so your drones don't even have to travel. So this would also give these ships a bit of versatility, allowing their max DPS flights to be effective out to a bit more range because mediums aren't quite as slow and cumbersome.
Rengerel en Distel
#10 - 2013-01-30 16:09:01 UTC
I'd rather they just change heavies to 15, then you could send out a full flight of anything besides sentries.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#11 - 2013-01-30 16:44:24 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
I'd rather they just change heavies to 15, then you could send out a full flight of anything besides sentries.


Heavies are ****

all they do well is die.


I hate mixed bandwiths

I think 15% would be more than enough though.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#12 - 2013-01-30 17:21:03 UTC
This feels more like practical housekeeping, since it is not actually changing the DPS value.

As a drone pilot, I appreciate not having to manage the clunky interface for multiple types.

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Weasel Leblanc
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-01-30 18:59:09 UTC
Most of the clunk of the 75-mbit mixed flight is caused by heavy drones being sluggish, clunky, easy-to-hit-because-slow pieces of scrapmetal. Giving the poor bastards more speed would be the actual best fix band-aid.

Especially with regards to Ogres. God, those things are slow. Half the time my target dies before they even get there.
Naomi Anthar
#14 - 2013-01-30 19:18:56 UTC
I'm tempted to +1 but i just can't. What you are suggesting is overpowered, and small drones would **** frigates too hard.

But i already suggested something that would at least give any advantage over 50 bandwitch. It's 75->80 bandwitch. Now you can fit 2 heavy and 3 medium. Now it's not gimped got it's advantage over 50 bandwitch and its worse than 125 . As intented.

As for sure 75 is so gimmick and stupid in first place that i'm really intersted for some DEV to post his flight of drones and explain us how/why it works.
Takeshi Yamato
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2013-01-30 20:03:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Takeshi Yamato
Naomi Anthar wrote:
I'm tempted to +1 but i just can't. What you are suggesting is overpowered, and small drones would **** frigates too hard.


No, you're just not paying attention to what I'm writing. Light drones are unchanged. Nothing is overpowered.

You're the third person that totally misunderstands even though I laid it out as clearly as possible.
Sinigr Shadowsong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-01-31 05:14:31 UTC
Seems that reading skill of forum posters in this thread is somewhat low. Somehow they see overpowered small drones while you have not suggested any changes in their damage.
Goldensaver
Maraque Enterprises
Just let it happen
#17 - 2013-01-31 05:19:39 UTC
Sinigr Shadowsong wrote:
Seems that reading skill of forum posters in this thread is somewhat low. Somehow they see overpowered small drones while you have not suggested any changes in their damage.

Ignorance was maxed, but they completely neglected their reading comprehension skill.