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NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#21 - 2013-01-29 16:24:55 UTC
How to find the corp that is right for you.

From your posts it seems you have already tried most of the basics,but this link will help you when it comes to doing more of the background checks and will also give you some advice on how to talk to the recruiters, and alternate methods of finding a corp that suits your playstyle Big smile

Good luck with the search!

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Steven Koskanaiken
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-01-29 16:44:10 UTC
NightCrawler 85 wrote:
How to find the corp that is right for you.

From your posts it seems you have already tried most of the basics,but this link will help you when it comes to doing more of the background checks and will also give you some advice on how to talk to the recruiters, and alternate methods of finding a corp that suits your playstyle Big smile

Good luck with the search!


2nd time you beat my main to post itP

But OP, read the replies and a corp WILL be found eventually. Dont stress it if it doesnt happen in a couple of days..
Kyra Quinn
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-01-29 16:54:46 UTC
NightCrawler 85 wrote:
How to find the corp that is right for you.

From your posts it seems you have already tried most of the basics,but this link will help you when it comes to doing more of the background checks and will also give you some advice on how to talk to the recruiters, and alternate methods of finding a corp that suits your playstyle Big smile

Good luck with the search!


It's listed in the Q&A so I DID read it and it helped me a lot, thanks :)
Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
#24 - 2013-01-29 17:58:29 UTC
Have you considered Faction Warfare or Red vs Blue?
Shalinea Vyvorant
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#25 - 2013-01-29 18:57:31 UTC
Hi!

((

What worked for me was to join corp public channels after I researched what corp were out there that met with what I was looking for. In my case that was a role play corp. Even then it was probably close to a month before I was into the corp that I decided was best for me. It has turned out great!

I too came from many years of playing other MMOs, EQ and EQ2, and a long long time ago the first telling of A Tale in the Desert. I was a little hesitant about EVE and it's "I'm a spaceship" thing but I took right to it and subbed for a year after halfway through the trial.

I must admin that my first thought when I started reading this thread was "Hmmm... That is a pretty nice jacket you are sporting in your official pic for a fresh to New Eden player" but your wonderful blog posting (Genesis) cleared that up for me fast!

))

But ya... you otta hop into the public channels of a few corps you are interested in and chat em up a little!! I think that is a great way to find out if you are gonna get along with them!

Ok Fly safe out there and remember to stop once in a while for a refreshing Quafe!

Shali
Steven Koskanaiken
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-01-29 20:41:58 UTC
Just finished reading your blog.

Why can't all new people in EVE be like you, specially those that come from other MMO's and WoW in special.
Would safe us a lot of time and explaining EVE =/= WoW.

And in general the EVE population works by following rules:

* Be a ****** = receive ******** feedback.
* Be a whiner = receive full aggro back.
* Be someone with an open mind and friendly attitude = people will be friendly towards you (on forum and chat, not always in space).

So basically, the responses you get from the population is a reflection of your attitude towards EVE and it's players.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2013-01-29 21:33:02 UTC
Maybe I'll send in some apps to carebear corps Big smile

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NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#28 - 2013-01-29 22:44:14 UTC
Kyra Quinn wrote:
NightCrawler 85 wrote:
How to find the corp that is right for you.

From your posts it seems you have already tried most of the basics,but this link will help you when it comes to doing more of the background checks and will also give you some advice on how to talk to the recruiters, and alternate methods of finding a corp that suits your playstyle Big smile

Good luck with the search!


It's listed in the Q&A so I DID read it and it helped me a lot, thanks :)


Ohh im sorry Sad
Normally people dont check the Q&A so its old habbit to post it whenever the question about joining a corp comes up.

Im very glad it was of some help tho! Big smile

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Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#29 - 2013-01-29 23:19:20 UTC
Kyra Quinn wrote:

- decently sized corp, not too small and not too large, I found in other MMO's that having an active core of 20-25 people is kinda the max I'm looking for
- I'm from Europe so should be active in my time zone


These things are listed in the corp recruitment forums and usually also a corp/alliance website. As others have pointed out, you can expect somewhere between 1 in 4 and 1 in 3 of the total membership online at peak weekday, something like 1/2 on peak weekends. Most corps will explicitly schedule some things to get higher than that.

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- I'm mostly focussing on exploration for now but might have a peek at pvp at some point, I'm open to suggestions other than "mining" or "run missions", "we do everything" is something I don't fall for
- active corp with interacting members, who know what they're talking about, can help me get ahead and who appreciate an active and inquisitive but clueless newbie


Exploration's a pretty solo activity, so focus on looking for a small-scale pvp corp, as that's the one you need people for.

More specifically "mostly missions with some pvp" is probably your bag, avoid people that say they're mining corps but in all honestly high-sec corps that say "they do a bit of everything" will actually fit pretty well with just giving you people to chat with while you're off exploring on your own. Not sure why you're avoiding the primarily social corps, kinda sabotaging yourself there since you want to be low-commitment.

Quote:
- mature without silliness and with good knowledge on the game
- no silly tax


Every corp has people that are good at the game and people that aren't, deal with it.

Additionally, taxes are necessary to maintain the things that give a corp purpose and unity in the first place (POSes, joint operations, ship replacements for trainees, and so on). So... get over yourself on that one, too. It's like 5-15% and only affects missions and NPC bounties, which you've said you don't prefer anyhow.

Summary: your problem is that your approach is entirely selfish and you have no intention of giving back to a corp. Why would a _good_ corp want you? Think about that and adjust your expectations accordingly. Not even being willing to pay the taxes and having a stick up your arse about others' knowledge when you're new yourself (i.e. expecting them to carry you) is pretty bloody anti-social, and that's how it's going to come off to recruiters as well.
lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2013-01-30 04:55:03 UTC
Lost Greybeard wrote:

Quote:
- mature without silliness and with good knowledge on the game
- no silly tax


Every corp has people that are good at the game and people that aren't, deal with it.

Additionally, taxes are necessary to maintain the things that give a corp purpose and unity in the first place (POSes, joint operations, ship replacements for trainees, and so on). So... get over yourself on that one, too. It's like 5-15% and only affects missions and NPC bounties, which you've said you don't prefer anyhow.

Summary: your problem is that your approach is entirely selfish and you have no intention of giving back to a corp. Why would a _good_ corp want you? Think about that and adjust your expectations accordingly. Not even being willing to pay the taxes and having a stick up your arse about others' knowledge when you're new yourself (i.e. expecting them to carry you) is pretty bloody anti-social, and that's how it's going to come off to recruiters as well.


Dunno about you, but the hostility was a bit unneeded IMO.

My understanding of 'silly taxes' was something like 20-50% taxes for nothing. Your summary was unnecessarily hostile considering the OP's attitude and responses throughout the thread.

Oh snap good troll, got me to bite.
Kane Alvo
Doomheim
#31 - 2013-01-30 07:26:52 UTC
I agree with your assessment. It's difficult for a newbie to find a corporation that's a good fit.

I tried E-Uni, and after a ridiculous application process and 10 day wait...the whole experience felt very anti-climatic once I was finally in. Bleh. Tried forming my own corp and going solo, and that wasn't such a good idea either. I read the forums, join a few chat channels, and found one that seemed like it would work. The day after I join, they move into a wormhole and I'm kinda left with my !@#$ in the wind.

Let the search begin. Again.

Caldari Militia  ☜★☞ Psychotic Monk for CSM8

Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#32 - 2013-01-30 08:47:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Vilnius Zar
Lost Greybeard wrote:
OP is a selfish douchebag


I'm not seeing what you're seeing. What I'm seeing is an active, willing to participate, willing to learn but refusing to be taken advantage of newbie who doesn't want to be with clowns. There's a difference between newbie and noob.

I don't think "silly tax" means "tax is silly" but rather "an unreasonable percentage for what is offered". She's obviously not going to do much industry and she's probably going to end up in a high sec corp for now which in all probability isn't running a massive replacement scheme, there's no reason for a high sec corp like that to have 10% tax other than to milk its members.


@OP: Yes, finding the right corp IS very difficult, in fact in all my years of playing it uhm... hasn't really happened for me, other than the corps I've ran myself. Take your time, don't rush it and don't sell yourself short but do keep in mind that it is a two way thing; the corp has to offer something to you but you also have to become an asset to the corp. Also : nice blog, keep it up.
Kyra Quinn
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2013-01-30 12:59:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Kyra Quinn
Lost Greybeard wrote:
These things are listed in the corp recruitment forums and usually also a corp/alliance website. As others have pointed out, you can expect somewhere between 1 in 4 and 1 in 3 of the total membership online at peak weekday, something like 1/2 on peak weekends. Most corps will explicitly schedule some things to get higher than that.

Yes, I've been looking at larger size corporations in the hopes to find a "decent" amount of active players.

Lost Greybeard wrote:
Exploration's a pretty solo activity, so focus on looking for a small-scale pvp corp, as that's the one you need people for.

More specifically "mostly missions with some pvp" is probably your bag, avoid people that say they're mining corps but in all honestly high-sec corps that say "they do a bit of everything" will actually fit pretty well with just giving you people to chat with while you're off exploring on your own. Not sure why you're avoiding the primarily social corps, kinda sabotaging yourself there since you want to be low-commitment.

There's truth in that, thing is that my method of income for now is exploration but it's (obviously) not the only thing I'll want to be doing. My problem is that I don't really KNOW what I'll want to be doing but I do know I don't want it to be grindy so I'm looking for an active corp that might show me some paths to follow. Perhaps i worded it wrong but I'm not at all low-commitment, in fact I'm very much looking for an active corp to be active in and contribute. But I'd like those things to be interesting/active stuff, not "lets sit still for 3 hours and look at our cargo fill up"


Lost Greybeard wrote:
Every corp has people that are good at the game and people that aren't, deal with it.
I'm looking for a group that has knowledgeable leadership but it doesn't mean I won't "accept" it having newbies, that would be kinda silly being a newbie myself.

Lost Greybeard wrote:
Additionally, taxes are necessary to maintain the things that give a corp purpose and unity in the first place (POSes, joint operations, ship replacements for trainees, and so on). So... get over yourself on that one, too. It's like 5-15% and only affects missions and NPC bounties, which you've said you don't prefer anyhow.

Summary: your problem is that your approach is entirely selfish and you have no intention of giving back to a corp. Why would a _good_ corp want you? Think about that and adjust your expectations accordingly. Not even being willing to pay the taxes and having a stick up your arse about others' knowledge when you're new yourself (i.e. expecting them to carry you) is pretty bloody anti-social, and that's how it's going to come off to recruiters as well.


I think Vilnius Zar worded that best.
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