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If you can 6box, what would you do :)?

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Fadedspirit
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-01-30 00:12:44 UTC
Returning to Eve, and it has been nearly 8months since I last played.


My question, simply because I greatly enjoy theorycrafting, is what would YOU do with 6 accounts at once? Everyone has their own opinion it seems, and it even further entangles the issue when people say "opinions are opinions, pick which you like best".

However, there obviously is a "Best" at something.


So my question, in a much more "Targeted" manner, is what is the BEST 6box for making isk you think?


Right now I've been told:
-4 Tengus
-2 shield transfer logis


or

-4 Legions
-2 Guardians

or

-4 Abaddons
-2 Guardians


etc etc.


Then, I heard Amarr aren't good for isking anymore :/? Amarr used to be the bread & butter of isking when I played hardcore about 2yrs ago. Adding to the fact I heard that missiles took a hit to dps so how are Caldari still top dogs regardless of their horrible overall dps :/?


Minny aren't really an option at the moment just because of the # of ammo they go through don't you think?




Argh xD!
Steven Koskanaiken
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-01-30 00:19:43 UTC
Already 7box, but doing fine:

1.) PvP player
2.) PvP player

3 - 7.) Support / Assisting characters.

1 and 2 have different skills for different kinds of fleets.

3 - 7 hold my assisting character (miners to make money, traders, this RvB alt, cyno characters).
Fadedspirit
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-01-30 00:22:52 UTC
Steven Koskanaiken wrote:
Already 7box, but doing fine:

1.) PvP player
2.) PvP player

3 - 7.) Support / Assisting characters.

1 and 2 have different skills for different kinds of fleets.

3 - 7 hold my assisting character (miners to make money, traders, this RvB alt, cyno characters).



Yea, that was my idea was to 6box to support my main for PvP, Fleets, etc as my previous issues with EvE, which resulted in me leaving several times, was the lack of income to support my PvP ventures (especially in large alliances).


I need something a bit more definitive tho.

I hear Caldari remain the PvE gods, but then I'm told the best isk is from wormholes or complexes yet Caldari have trouble with those and Amarr are better?


As usual I'm confused and looking for information for me to decide on a path to go :(.
Merouk Baas
#4 - 2013-01-30 02:53:44 UTC
Read up on Sleeper rats. They do omni damage, and lots of it; the higher-class wormhole solar systems require coordinated fleets with solid tanks and logistics for remote repair. You can either roam wormhole space, or you can base your corp at a POS and live there; there's lots of PVP on top of the Sleeper PVE.

Sansha Incursions are where Caldari logistics and ships are preferred; the Sanshas do nasty damage too and require coordinated fleets, and shield-based (Caldari) fleets are the easiest to get in high-sec, so people are flying those.

Complexes - the profitable ones are in null; if you're in an alliance you can grind them. Again fleets are required (not necessarily Caldari), damage can be nasty, payout is decent.

For 6-boxing I have no clue. I would never 6-box; I'd rather find some people to play with. You're paying for 6 accounts, that's about 5 plex per month, 5 plex is 2.5 billion ISK per month. You're paying 2.5 billion ISK per month to "make money for PVP." That's a fitted carrier per month. What kind of losses are you looking at in your PVP?
Fadedspirit
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-01-30 03:32:48 UTC
Merouk Baas wrote:
Read up on Sleeper rats. They do omni damage, and lots of it; the higher-class wormhole solar systems require coordinated fleets with solid tanks and logistics for remote repair. You can either roam wormhole space, or you can base your corp at a POS and live there; there's lots of PVP on top of the Sleeper PVE.

Sansha Incursions are where Caldari logistics and ships are preferred; the Sanshas do nasty damage too and require coordinated fleets, and shield-based (Caldari) fleets are the easiest to get in high-sec, so people are flying those.

Complexes - the profitable ones are in null; if you're in an alliance you can grind them. Again fleets are required (not necessarily Caldari), damage can be nasty, payout is decent.

For 6-boxing I have no clue. I would never 6-box; I'd rather find some people to play with. You're paying for 6 accounts, that's about 5 plex per month, 5 plex is 2.5 billion ISK per month. You're paying 2.5 billion ISK per month to "make money for PVP." That's a fitted carrier per month. What kind of losses are you looking at in your PVP?


I also enjoy the challenge :).


That, and Plexes are more than $15. So they're not actually a "Plex" per account :D.
ISD Cyberdyne
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#6 - 2013-01-30 04:15:50 UTC
I have heard of players multiboxing toward mining and industrial ventures. Orca with bonuses and support with Hulk fleet, then refine and manufacture whatever you feel compelled to build.



Sounds tedious, but could be fun.

ISD Cyberdyne

Lieutenant Commander

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department
Fadedspirit
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-01-30 04:33:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Fadedspirit
ISD Cyberdyne wrote:
I have heard of players multiboxing toward mining and industrial ventures. Orca with bonuses and support with Hulk fleet, then refine and manufacture whatever you feel compelled to build.



Sounds tedious, but could be fun.



Mining has horrible pathetic gains from multiboxing. It's of the same magnitude in comparison to mission running or running anoms.

In other words, Mission running solo is about 5x to sometimes 10x more profitable per hour than mining even with all the changes having been done.

They really need to fix their priorities in terms of the economy Sad.


That being said, I'm depressed the EvE community doesn't openly talk about fits anymore. If i had asked the same question 2years ago I'd have had a 2page thread by now with suggestions like "Do 4x Tengus, 2x shield remote reps with so and so fit" or something to that effect.

I just don't see the big fuss at ALL about tengus. Everything does better within the same cost range of Tengus. They might just be less work involved since missiles aren't exactly a tedious thing to use.
Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-01-30 06:36:23 UTC
Fadespirit wrote:
That being said, I'm depressed the EvE community doesn't openly talk about fits anymore. If i had asked the same question 2years ago I'd have had a 2page thread by now with suggestions like "Do 4x Tengus, 2x shield remote reps with so and so fit" or something to that effect
You post in New Players Q&A, there are some vets, but you didn't really expect answers from the newbs still trying to figure out the interface, did you?

The secrets to making ISK are "discussed" in threadnaughts filled with tears and angry faces in the super secret GD section, give it a try.

[i]"haiku are easy, But sometimes they don't make sense, Refrigerator."[/i]
Mamucha
Rookie Empire Citizens
#9 - 2013-01-30 07:54:32 UTC
6box? Market domination at its finest....

Character per major tradehub.

We were recruiting.
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#10 - 2013-01-30 09:02:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Vilnius Zar
Fadedspirit wrote:
ISD Cyberdyne wrote:
I have heard of players multiboxing toward mining and industrial ventures. Orca with bonuses and support with Hulk fleet, then refine and manufacture whatever you feel compelled to build.



Sounds tedious, but could be fun.



Mining has horrible pathetic gains from multiboxing. It's of the same magnitude in comparison to mission running or running anoms.

In other words, Mission running solo is about 5x to sometimes 10x more profitable per hour than mining even with all the changes having been done.

They really need to fix their priorities in terms of the economy Sad.


That being said, I'm depressed the EvE community doesn't openly talk about fits anymore. If i had asked the same question 2years ago I'd have had a 2page thread by now with suggestions like "Do 4x Tengus, 2x shield remote reps with so and so fit" or something to that effect.

I just don't see the big fuss at ALL about tengus. Everything does better within the same cost range of Tengus. They might just be less work involved since missiles aren't exactly a tedious thing to use.


I bolded the bullshit parts. You're not getting "answers" because your question is too open (and also too silly) and us getting the feeling that putting effort into your questions would be a waste of time. All the answers you'll get/need are done by Merouk and Cyberdyne.
Aptenodytes
Reckless Abandon
#11 - 2013-01-30 10:46:31 UTC
If I had 6 accounts I would cancel 5 and buy myself 14 extra pints of beer per month.
If they're funded by PLEX then I would cancel 5 and thus "earn" 3 bil extra per month.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#12 - 2013-01-30 10:53:44 UTC
To be honest you only really need 5.
Merouk Baas
#13 - 2013-01-30 12:52:20 UTC
Fadedspirit wrote:
Merouk Baas wrote:
You're paying for 6 accounts, that's about 5 plex per month

Plexes are more than $15. So they're not actually a "Plex" per account :D.

Reading Comprehension. Put it in the queue!
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2013-01-30 18:24:50 UTC
1) Main pvp dude
2) Scout/locator
3) Booster
4) Logi dude
5) Safari alts

These things aren't required, but they're helpful.

Belligerent Undesirables Selling Griefer Immunity
Dasola
New Edens Freeports
#15 - 2013-01-30 19:59:15 UTC
Merouk Baas wrote:
Fadedspirit wrote:
Merouk Baas wrote:
You're paying for 6 accounts, that's about 5 plex per month

Plexes are more than $15. So they're not actually a "Plex" per account :D.

Reading Comprehension. Put it in the queue!


Hmm i usually pay with GTC, its about 28 euros currently, converts to two plexes.. so its 14 euros for plex for me :P Thank god for online shopping anywhere in world...

We are Minmatar, Our ship are made of scraps, but look what our scraps can do...
Fadedspirit
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-01-30 21:26:26 UTC
Dasola wrote:
Merouk Baas wrote:
Fadedspirit wrote:
Merouk Baas wrote:
You're paying for 6 accounts, that's about 5 plex per month

Plexes are more than $15. So they're not actually a "Plex" per account :D.

Reading Comprehension. Put it in the queue!


Hmm i usually pay with GTC, its about 28 euros currently, converts to two plexes.. so its 14 euros for plex for me :P Thank god for online shopping anywhere in world...


14 euros = $18.99

You're paying more per plex than buying directly from CCP unless they changed sub prices per currency exchange rates (like companies should) that almost no other MMO developer does.


A normal plex is around $17.5. Unless you're indivudally buying plex from CCP which are like $19. However, if you're not buying Plex in their larger packages you're wasting money :).



As for my question, it isn't "vague" at all. I simply asked what the best setup would be for doing lvl 4's, 5's, or harder farming setups.

From what I've gathered it's most likely 5 Abaddon's and 2 Guardians being the best setup. Tengus are just bad, and I'm not sure why people harp on them so much :|.
Steven Koskanaiken
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-01-30 21:39:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Steven Koskanaiken
Fadedspirit wrote:
Dasola wrote:
Merouk Baas wrote:
Fadedspirit wrote:
Merouk Baas wrote:
You're paying for 6 accounts, that's about 5 plex per month

Plexes are more than $15. So they're not actually a "Plex" per account :D.

Reading Comprehension. Put it in the queue!


Hmm i usually pay with GTC, its about 28 euros currently, converts to two plexes.. so its 14 euros for plex for me :P Thank god for online shopping anywhere in world...


14 euros = $18.99

You're paying more per plex than buying directly from CCP unless they changed sub prices per currency exchange rates (like companies should) that almost no other MMO developer does.


A normal plex is around $17.5. Unless you're indivudally buying plex from CCP which are like $19. However, if you're not buying Plex in their larger packages you're wasting money :).



As for my question, it isn't "vague" at all. I simply asked what the best setup would be for doing lvl 4's, 5's, or harder farming setups.

From what I've gathered it's most likely 5 Abaddon's and 2 Guardians being the best setup. Tengus are just bad, and I'm not sure why people harp on them so much :|.


Bolded = WoW.

In EVE nobody gives a **** about how space rich you are, ISK is just a tool to help you play the game in a way you have fun.

And I play by GTC and it is cheaper to do then buying a monthly sub with CCP. At least if I use an US GTC site like shattered...

Though from the 7 accounts, I will likely ditch a couple. Getting bit bored with certain things in EVE and likely will scale down on game time to just this char cause PvP is fun.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#18 - 2013-01-30 22:04:40 UTC

Meh.... I see no desire to 6-box....

I see the use of having 6 characters doing lots of industry (you'll make lots of money that way), or PI, or Science...
I suppose some people would create their own mining fleets... but that really doesn't sound all that exciting...

In truth... PvP'ing, which is where the excitement is, IMO, hard to multi-box well.... You can always use alts for fleet boosting, eyes, and the like... but to actually control multiple characters in a single fight is rather difficult....

Note: It's not so bad in "bigger ships" which don't need to quickly respond... but it's very hard to multibox more cruicial roles simultaneously....
Steven Koskanaiken
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-01-30 22:19:56 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

Meh.... I see no desire to 6-box....

I see the use of having 6 characters doing lots of industry (you'll make lots of money that way), or PI, or Science...
I suppose some people would create their own mining fleets... but that really doesn't sound all that exciting...

In truth... PvP'ing, which is where the excitement is, IMO, hard to multi-box well.... You can always use alts for fleet boosting, eyes, and the like... but to actually control multiple characters in a single fight is rather difficult....

Note: It's not so bad in "bigger ships" which don't need to quickly respond... but it's very hard to multibox more cruicial roles simultaneously....


Know someone with (at that time) 5 accounts that multiboxed them in BC during PvP.

He did use ISBoxer for it, so control 1 = control all 5.

Last known info I saw, he now had 8 Gank Nado's working as 1