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The Apostle
Doomheim
#101 - 2011-10-25 09:44:25 UTC
Red Templar wrote:
So, do i understand correctly, that you want to fight suicide ganking and force CCP to remove it, but actively using suicide ganking anyone who isnt greeing with your policy? Wait... wha?

I think you should fight against real life suicide by committing real life suicide. You know. Just to show your devotion to the CAUSE! This way entire world would benefit from your *wisdom* not just some game. Idea

Got it in one Einstein.

If, combined with the G**ns campaign, prices go through the roof and inflation spirals, it won't be the miners complaining. Because ganking is quite "legal" and "part of the game", let's call the bluff and use that mechanic and force the issue. G**ns either have to back off or help make it all come true.

This is THINK space G**n. It's not an everyday topic for you to be involved in. It's beyond your capabilites.

And the second comment should be reported but since you're a G$$n a certain amount of leeway must be granted for your stupidity.

[i]Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo![/i]
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#102 - 2011-10-25 09:55:23 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Andre Jean Sarpantis wrote:
Oh...on a side note...to all the PvPers which reading in here...what do you think would happen if nobody would mine out of a sudden?

Just beeing curious about the input from yours P


Then we'd do some drone sanctums, get enough minerals to build a couple of dozen cruisers in an hour, use those to make T2 and T3 cruisers and happily carry on.


Oh, sorry, did you think you were irreplaceably essential to my game?

Gasp. Go ratting to get minerals. To make T2 and T3? Might need to check your blueprints.

Besides, G**ns are going to stuff up T2 production, not miners.

But yes, we are very important. Given that there may be some truth to the rumour that drones were gonna lose their minerals?

Over to you.......

Actually no, don't bother. If I told you water was wet you'd argue with me. Fairly predictable mutterings.


If the situation changes I'll adapt to the changed situation.

Luckily, even if drones stop dropping minerals there are vast amounts of (largely unused) belts yielding all mineral types in 0.0

People used to mine there, you know.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#103 - 2011-10-25 10:03:00 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
FORCE THE CHANGE
Effective start date - 1 November.

Follow these 3 steps.

1) Buy up Isogen in every station with every ISK you have.
2) Stop Mining.
3) Contract all Isogen to Akrasjel Lanate.


Cool

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
The Apostle
Doomheim
#104 - 2011-10-25 10:03:00 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Andre Jean Sarpantis wrote:
Oh...on a side note...to all the PvPers which reading in here...what do you think would happen if nobody would mine out of a sudden?

Just beeing curious about the input from yours P


Then we'd do some drone sanctums, get enough minerals to build a couple of dozen cruisers in an hour, use those to make T2 and T3 cruisers and happily carry on.


Oh, sorry, did you think you were irreplaceably essential to my game?

Gasp. Go ratting to get minerals. To make T2 and T3? Might need to check your blueprints.

Besides, G**ns are going to stuff up T2 production, not miners.

But yes, we are very important. Given that there may be some truth to the rumour that drones were gonna lose their minerals?

Over to you.......

Actually no, don't bother. If I told you water was wet you'd argue with me. Fairly predictable mutterings.


If the situation changes I'll adapt to the changed situation.

Luckily, even if drones stop dropping minerals there are vast amounts of (largely unused) belts yielding all mineral types in 0.0

People used to mine there, you know.

Keep qualifying my arguments mate, I implore you.

A few hundred 0.0 dwellers will mine for themselves (imagine 0.0 turning into miners!!) and highsec - about 80% of the playerbase will go hang. Think you can supply them all?

[i]Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo![/i]
The Apostle
Doomheim
#105 - 2011-10-25 10:05:42 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
FORCE THE CHANGE
Effective start date - 1 November.

Follow these 3 steps.

1) Buy up Isogen in every station with every ISK you have.
2) Stop Mining.
3) Contract all Isogen to Akrasjel Lanate.


Cool

It is isn't it?

And you can put it back on the market at a vast profit (which is what we want) or you can try moving it and lose it all.

[i]Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo![/i]
Red Templar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#106 - 2011-10-25 10:15:16 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
Red Templar wrote:
So, do i understand correctly, that you want to fight suicide ganking and force CCP to remove it, but actively using suicide ganking anyone who isnt greeing with your policy? Wait... wha?

I think you should fight against real life suicide by committing real life suicide. You know. Just to show your devotion to the CAUSE! This way entire world would benefit from your *wisdom* not just some game. Idea

Got it in one Einstein.

If, combined with the G**ns campaign, prices go through the roof and inflation spirals, it won't be the miners complaining. Because ganking is quite "legal" and "part of the game", let's call the bluff and use that mechanic and force the issue. G**ns either have to back off or help make it all come true.

This is THINK space G**n. It's not an everyday topic for you to be involved in. It's beyond your capabilites.

And the second comment should be reported but since you're a G$$n a certain amount of leeway must be granted for your stupidity.

Delusional people have very interesting patterns of thought.

Keep it up, you amuse meRoll

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For None of the Above.

For Pony![/b]
Naran Eto
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#107 - 2011-10-25 10:19:15 UTC
Nice idea, won't work though, everybody i know who mass produces ships and modules either mines themselves or has corp friends that either mine for them or supply them with loot/drone resources to recycle.

To be honest i think the people supplying the market with resources are only a small % of the resources being created ingame and getting those people to stop mining will do very little.
David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#108 - 2011-10-25 10:19:16 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
FORCE THE CHANGE

Stop whining. Stop crying. Stop giving gankers the pleasure. Stop making posts about how bad people are.

Use the same game mechanics you're losing to, grow some balls and start a supply embargo.

Effective start date - 1 November.

Follow these 3 steps.

1) Buy up Isogen in every station with every ISK you have.
2) Stop Mining.
3) Actively gank ANY miner/hauler that works against the embargo.

Pass it on. I will personally be visiting as many systems as possible over the next few days linking this post. MAKE it happen.

NO MORE CRYING ABOUT IT.

Word of advice. DO NOT respond to the trolls in this post. Let them play their childish games - among themselves.

OBJECTIVE: If CCP have NOT made changes to industrial suicide ganking by the New Year, unsub and state 1 reason only - Suicide ganking.

Game on....

EDITS:
G&&ns will be assisting in this campaign. USE this...
We stand to lose nothing. We fail, the status quo remains. Stay the course.



well if miners actually did down tools the russians would just install more bots. i doubt we will ever see your idea happen.

Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs.
Tallianna Avenkarde
Pyre of Gods
#109 - 2011-10-25 10:20:04 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
FORCE THE CHANGE

Stop whining. Stop crying. Stop giving gankers the pleasure. Stop making posts about how bad people are.

Use the same game mechanics you're losing to, grow some balls and start a supply embargo.

Effective start date - 1 November.

Follow these 3 steps.

1) Buy up Isogen in every station with every ISK you have.
2) Stop Mining.
3) Actively gank ANY miner/hauler that works against the embargo.

Pass it on. I will personally be visiting as many systems as possible over the next few days linking this post. MAKE it happen.

NO MORE CRYING ABOUT IT.

Word of advice. DO NOT respond to the trolls in this post. Let them play their childish games - among themselves.

OBJECTIVE: If CCP have NOT made changes to industrial suicide ganking by the New Year, unsub and state 1 reason only - Suicide ganking.

Game on....

EDITS:
G&&ns will be assisting in this campaign. USE this...
We stand to lose nothing. We fail, the status quo remains. Stay the course.



YES MINERS! STOP SUICIDE GANKERS BY SUICIDE GANKING!

I endorse this product and or service..

And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#110 - 2011-10-25 10:36:51 UTC
EnderCapitalG wrote:
Andre Jean Sarpantis wrote:
Oh...on a side note...to all the PvPers which reading in here...what do you think would happen if nobody would mine out of a sudden?

Just beeing curious about the input from yours P


Everyone would still have minerals due to 76% (according to the last QEN, IIRC) of them coming from the Drone Regions.



+1

Since null sec is full of mining/rating bots, nothing will happen.
The Apostle
Doomheim
#111 - 2011-10-25 10:55:41 UTC
David Grogan wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
FORCE THE CHANGE

Stop whining. Stop crying. Stop giving gankers the pleasure. Stop making posts about how bad people are.

Use the same game mechanics you're losing to, grow some balls and start a supply embargo.

Effective start date - 1 November.

Follow these 3 steps.

1) Buy up Isogen in every station with every ISK you have.
2) Stop Mining.
3) Actively gank ANY miner/hauler that works against the embargo.

Pass it on. I will personally be visiting as many systems as possible over the next few days linking this post. MAKE it happen.

NO MORE CRYING ABOUT IT.

Word of advice. DO NOT respond to the trolls in this post. Let them play their childish games - among themselves.

OBJECTIVE: If CCP have NOT made changes to industrial suicide ganking by the New Year, unsub and state 1 reason only - Suicide ganking.

Game on....

EDITS:
G&&ns will be assisting in this campaign. USE this...
We stand to lose nothing. We fail, the status quo remains. Stay the course.


well if miners actually did down tools the russians would just install more bots. i doubt we will ever see your idea happen.

The Russians wouldn't bother and secondly I am sure I heard that drone minerals are going. THIS is why it is the perfect time.

[i]Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo![/i]
The Apostle
Doomheim
#112 - 2011-10-25 10:58:52 UTC
Tallianna Avenkarde wrote:


YES MINERS! STOP SUICIDE GANKERS BY SUICIDE GANKING!

I endorse this product and or service..

Try reading the posts before you start shouting.

You might just have a reason not to say anything at all.

[i]Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo![/i]
David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#113 - 2011-10-25 11:00:24 UTC  |  Edited by: David Grogan
The Apostle wrote:

The Russians wouldn't bother and secondly I am sure I heard that drone minerals are going. THIS is why it is the perfect time.


sure they would if it meant a tidy profit from controlling the mineral markets

it would be extra rmt for them selling ships because noone else can build them if the miners all down tools.

Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs.
The Apostle
Doomheim
#114 - 2011-10-25 11:01:59 UTC
David Grogan wrote:
The Apostle wrote:

The Russians wouldn't bother and secondly I am sure I heard that drone minerals are going. THIS is why it is the perfect time.


sure they would if it meant a tidy profit from controlling the mineral markets

Derived from what?

[i]Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo![/i]
David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#115 - 2011-10-25 11:04:23 UTC  |  Edited by: David Grogan
The Apostle wrote:
David Grogan wrote:
The Apostle wrote:

The Russians wouldn't bother and secondly I am sure I heard that drone minerals are going. THIS is why it is the perfect time.


sure they would if it meant a tidy profit from controlling the mineral markets

Derived from what?


if there is a demand for ships & mods and no mineral being supplied to build those ships because miners downed tools.......... suddenly you have a reason to bot mine to build those ships in demand. Basic economics.

as dronelands has the highest concentration of naturally occuring a,b,c & m ores in the belts (no need for i-hub upgrades) it stands to reason the russians bots would be used to mine it all.

Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs.
Red Templar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#116 - 2011-10-25 11:14:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Red Templar
How do you plan to enforce embargo for any significant amount of time?

Huge coalitions has a gaps when trying to gank only in few selected systems. And keep in mind, most of those gankers are experts in what they do.

How do you actually propose to embargo all highsec systems, with only a few carebear miners, who support this action, and who cannot sustain this kind of blockade for long. For them, ruining their security standing has much bigger consequences, since they want to continue living in high-sec. And who is going to pay for their losses during absolutely glorious miner on miner gankogeddon? You?
In the first few days people will loose security standing, and then, since they dont have organized bases, poses, logistic centers, it will all break down.

And dont get me wrong. I may think that this whole idea is stupid and ridiculous, but i still think it will be funny to see what you will be able to do. Just for the kicks, just to see what happens. Thats why we play the game, right?

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For None of the Above.

For Pony![/b]
Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#117 - 2011-10-25 11:16:57 UTC
OP has obviously found some new awesome drugs :) Pass the needle please!

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#118 - 2011-10-25 11:20:20 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Andre Jean Sarpantis wrote:
Oh...on a side note...to all the PvPers which reading in here...what do you think would happen if nobody would mine out of a sudden?

Just beeing curious about the input from yours P


Then we'd do some drone sanctums, get enough minerals to build a couple of dozen cruisers in an hour, use those to make T2 and T3 cruisers and happily carry on.


Oh, sorry, did you think you were irreplaceably essential to my game?

Gasp. Go ratting to get minerals. To make T2 and T3? Might need to check your blueprints.

Besides, G**ns are going to stuff up T2 production, not miners.

But yes, we are very important. Given that there may be some truth to the rumour that drones were gonna lose their minerals?

Over to you.......

Actually no, don't bother. If I told you water was wet you'd argue with me. Fairly predictable mutterings.


If the situation changes I'll adapt to the changed situation.

Luckily, even if drones stop dropping minerals there are vast amounts of (largely unused) belts yielding all mineral types in 0.0

People used to mine there, you know.

Keep qualifying my arguments mate, I implore you.

A few hundred 0.0 dwellers will mine for themselves (imagine 0.0 turning into miners!!) and highsec - about 80% of the playerbase will go hang. Think you can supply them all?



If there is an eve-wide mineral shortage, why on earth would we throw away a strategic advantage by supplying minerls to our enemies?

PS, your estimate of nullsec population is out by a couple of orders of magnitude.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
The Apostle
Doomheim
#119 - 2011-10-25 11:44:14 UTC
Red Templar wrote:
How do you plan to enforce embargo for any significant amount of time?

Huge coalitions has a gaps when trying to gank only in few selected systems. And keep in mind, most of those gankers are experts in what they do.

How do you actually propose to embargo all highsec systems, with only a few carebear miners, who support this action, and who cannot sustain this kind of blockade for long. For them, ruining their security standing has much bigger consequences, since they want to continue living in high-sec. And who is going to pay for their losses during absolutely glorious miner on miner gankogeddon? You?
In the first few days people will loose security standing, and then, since they dont have organized bases, poses, logistic centers, it will all break down.

And dont get me wrong. I may think that this whole idea is stupid and ridiculous, but i still think it will be funny to see what you will be able to do. Just for the kicks, just to see what happens. Thats why we play the game, right?

Highsec miners outnumber G**ns currently doing ice interdiction ops. I know, I went and counted you G**ns today. And that same trip to Gallente ice today also showed the effectiveness of your campaign.

Isogen is limited to 2 roid types. Kernite, found in Amarr space 0.7 and below, and Omber in Minmatar and Gallente 0.7 and below. A concerted effort can be effective - granted, only if the majority of highsec miners join.

1) Most should refuse to mine in support for those 2 types and those that do must be stopped.
2) Blockading major hubs (we only want the Isogen transports) can be accomplished both by miners themselves, their alts or new 10 day alts. Don't discount using merc corps either.
3) Failing that, simply buying up and holding stock will also drive the prices up.

It's quite obvious that this NEEDS miners to participate. If not then they have only themselves to blame.

[i]Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo![/i]
Zleon Leigh
#120 - 2011-10-25 11:47:22 UTC
Skaz wrote:
This is blasphemy! This is madness!


Also, won't work, wrong mineral, and seriously just let the Goons have their fun, skip mining ice and seriously mining hasn't been dented beyond ice mining in a couple of systems by their actions.

This is a phase that'll pass, and then we'll see whining about something else.



Except Goons are ganking more than just the ice miners....

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