EVE General Discussion

you'll have to end multiple characters /accounts then.

why would I do PvP on this character when he's not skilled for combat?

Why would I hoard SP on one character when clone costs are potentially more than my ships?

how can i join a pvp corp with my other character when they explicitly forbid you to have alts in player corps?

all the way to 100%.... and i'll still stay in the npc corp because you can't tax mining!

Look, the potential for losing a ship when you undock is part if eve. Being wardecced is not. If it was, ccp would have made npc corps subject to wardecs a long while ago. Accept this fact.

All your arguments about how these people impact pvp but are some how protected are false. A person in a one man corp could easily acquire goods, trade, sell, research, invent, and manufacture without ever leaving a station. They could use courier.contracts to move assets, remote management skills, and impact the exact same aspect as an npc corp member, and you could never touch the one-man corp. Will you next demand that everyone eject from station once a day just so they can be shot at by you?

Can you not read? Every isk a player makes lessens the value of my isk. Every min they mine lessens the value of my mins (if I mined lol).

And yet I can be wardecced to stop what im doing/force me to fight, but they can't. It's basic fairness, every account after a reasonable noob period should be on the same basic customer footing. Yet people like me who are doing what CCP says they want us to do (form player corps) are PUNISHED for it by being vulnerable to war, with now tangible gain.



That's nice. it's still wrong.


Good thing we aren't talking about "new players".

Not nearly limited enough. The most basic balance of EVE is that "you can do what you want, but others can do what they want to YOU". "professional" NPC corp players stand outside of that balance. sure, they can't do a lot of thing player corp ceo and directors can,. but then neither can most grunts in player corps.

If you want to play this game and have an affect on this universe and community, you should be FULLY vulnerable in the same way other players are.

"Non-noobs" in npc corps are like Grown children still living at home at the age of 26 while working only part time at Wal-Mart and not paying any rent but still telling their parents "I'm grown , I can do what I like".

Sry, no you can't, you should get your own house (player corp) and do what you want.........Now GET OUT.

In other words, the existence of non-noob NPC corps means CCP is just a bad parent.

This would be true if the market didn't exist. as it does and is kept super liquid by a mass of noobs in retrievers you don't need to mine and you would be wasting your time and presenting yourself as a target if you did. there is no refine advantage to the player corp so they should buy minerals from the market.

maybe that shouldn't be the case and CCP should lower the base refine rate in NPC stations. however as it stands you should be doing things that reward you for being in a player corp, not trying to compete with people in NPC corps.

I'd rather they give players in high sec a real incentive to join player run corporations.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=195938
Give player run corporations in high sec the ability to "control" the NPC stations. This way players can tax and set line costs for NPC corp members; allowing players to control the flow of production in high sec.

Let player run corps take over ownership of the NPC stations.
Give them the ability to set the "focus" of a station. Manufaturing or research.
Allow them to set the refine rates.

Really just a simpler version of station upgrading that null sec already has.

Corporations can set the price for their members to be lower than public slots, as well as collect small amount of "tax" from each job done in the station.

It'll create points of contention in high sec, and give tangible meaning to wardecs.

It'll let "other" industrialists have clear targets, and a means to have an impact on those people that are having an actual impact on them.

I would even go so far as to allow for the corporation in control of a high sec station to do small upgrades to the system.
Like having every belt spawn standard concentration ores by default, and require a player run corp to take ownership of the station in that system and upgrade the belt to have higher concentration ores.


If CCP isn't going to do the PoS revamp, and giving the restrictive nature of PoS's, then they need to do something that doesn't involve the PoS in high sec. Not to mention that PoS's are being set up, and run, by one man corporations.

I don't agree with the idea I saw floating around that CCP was considering moving T2 production into .7 and below stations. I don't think that's going to work out any better than the tax increase from a while back. Player run corps in high sec need a level of "empowerment" that currently doesn't exist in high sec, and CCP needs to start changing the rediculous mentality that I've seen people expressing that high sec is for "PvE".

EVE is supposed to be all about players shaping the world around them, emergent gameplay, interaction, and of course a cold, harsh, something or other.

There's enough space, and with the work that CCP has done over the years to improve performance and server stability to allow for larger numbers of players in a single system, this should be more than doable today.

It would also fix a number of issues many people have with the game today.

that's hilarious, so I'm going to repeatedly respawn in jita in my no SP trading alt?

No, I didn't. Your entire argument was based on that fabrication.

Who exactly is talking about "interaction". i don't personally care about whether or not a person choose to interact socially with others.

I'm talking about the need for CCP to ensure account holder fairness. While "fairness" is not an issue in game (all is fair in love and EVE), EVe as a product should be consistant in how it treats it's players.

Saying to us " make your own destiny" then giving an option to opt out of a very key game mechanic (the ability to be war decced) is not consistent at all. If you are able to affect the game, you should be liable to negative affects as well. Allowing non-noob players to stay forever in a situation where other players must pay a high cost to disrupt them while imposing no real cost on the NPC corp player is uneven.

The mission runner and explorers of NPC corps at least have to pay an elevated tax. But what cost does the miner and hauler pay? NPC corps are not just unfair to everyone else, as currently constituted, they are unfair to their own memebers.

Something has to give, with new taxes and/or restrictions (like a "tax" on mining and hauling or restrictions on what kinds of ships NPC corp pilots can fly ie no tech 2 mining ships and frieghters/orcas for NPC corp members).

Situations that confer signifigant advantages without conferring signifigant costs/trade offs should not be allowed in EVE online.