Crime & Punishment

Eventually some creative pirate is going to stick a 'New Order' tag in his bio and start ganking miners who also have that tag in their bio for laughs, because they're going to think they're safe. And then miners will realize that their "safety sticker" means diddly-squat, they got scammed, and.... hmm, not sure what happens after that - but it will sure be funny!

Technically, anything you "own" in Eve is on loan from CCP, read the EULA.

Oh dear...

We're missing the point of the game. It's a sandbox game. The gankers have just as much right to gank as the miners have to mine. It's a game. It's designed that you use your imagination to come up with new ideas on how to play. It's a sandbox, a unique one, it's beautiful. You want to be a miner? Accept the fact that there are those with imagination like James who come up with cute psuedo-RP (even slightly twisted) ideas for play. I find it amusing, which is the purpose. It's a game. Amusement. You're not amused. You're missing the point. If I lost a Retriever, I'd be annoyed, perhaps, but I would just move on and rise to the occasion.

When the parents coddle the children, they grow up to insist that nanny does all the work for them. Complaining about it doesn't work. Thinking up a measured response to counter the actions of James and his hordes is the correct way to play the game.

Wrong Way To Live Life: "You got an F on that term paper, honey? AHH! PETITION the school board!"

Right Way To Live Life: "You got an F on that term paper, honey? How do you think you could do better next time?"

Wrong Way To Play EVE: "WAH! CCP! I petition and complain! I lost my ship I refused to do anything to to protect!"

Right Way To Play EVE: "Ooh, that was interesting what they did there. Let's try this, because I know the game mechanics and understand how combat timers and aggression works, and realize that these are fictitious 'possessions' anyway."

You've got power. You're denying it. Enjoy the choices you make. Make the right ones.

Sandbox game is sandbox game. Again, this is a game. If you're not amused, you're missing the point. If someone robbed my house in real life, I'd pursue every option to prosecute the offenders. But that's a real life crime and that is immoral and wrong.

This is a game. There are thieves in the game, but if they rob me, I'm out of nothing, really, in the end, of value. Some may argue I lost valuable time, but everyone wastes time all the time and usually doesn't complain about it. And I only lose time playing a game if I don't have fun playing it. If I lose my cool, I've lost the point of the game. It's to have fun.

If I get robbed in Eve, it's just part of the game experience. And since this is a game, I am free to track down the robbers myself and make them suffer in almost whatever manner I can dream up. Something real life doesn't afford me to do, because that is immoral and wrong. Thus, why I play the game. It's a chance to have fun. I take the chance and adjust my perspective accordingly to continue having fun. Otherwise, what's the point playing a game you can't choose to have fun at? Then you are wasting your time.

IF you cant see this then your either trolling or very narrow ^^

(Phony)Cheers ;)

I get that there's plenty of irony and joking involved

, and a good bit of the whole thing is just roleplay, or an excuse to gank, or whatever you want to call it, but the idea that they're helping miners is ridiculous.They talk a lot about "saving miners from themselves", but I don't see how this works... Of course, if miners were to stop AFKing so much, they might be more social and actually enjoy the game more, but that's kind of a weak argument, as it's hard for me to believe that people who deliberately choose an AFK activity in a video game want to be social, and destroying things that, in their eyes, they worked very hard for doesn't make them any more likely to join other players. Miners already have bad perceptions of pvpers as all being gankers and griefers and unpleasant people, and a lot of them assume anyone who isn't mining is looking to kill them. Reinforcing those preconceptions only exacerbates the problem.

The biggest problem I have is the argument that if people stopped afk mining minerals would be worth more, or if ccp nerfed mining ships then mining would be more profitable, or if XX happened, mining wouldn't be the worst activity in EVE. If people stop mining, then mining becomes more profitable, and therefore there's more incentive to mine more, which drives prices down, which then means isk/hour is lowered, which means more mining must be done for the same profit. Mining is a vicious cycle, but is about as stable as "careers" get in eve, which means it is the most reliable way to earn isk in the game. There's literally no way to lose isk while mining, other than losing your ship. The merits of opportunity cost calculations in this instance can be discussed, but let's be honest, anyone who is AFK mining doesn't give a **** about better things they could be doing, at least for the most part.

There are very few things that can be done to actually help miners in reality, and most of them would involve a major rethink of the entire economic basis of the game by CCP, since minerals are so pervasive in industry and economics. Essentially, they involve making it nearly impossible to afk mine by reducing the amount of time spent actually mining and increasing other aspects involved. One idea would be to vastly lower the amounts of minerals required to produce items, and reduce the amount of time spent mining, but require sites to be scanned down and difficult npcs killed, similar to wormhole grav sites, but taken to even more extremes.

tl;dr If you only read this tl;dr and think I'm a pubbie ****lord, you are clearly not a high caliber forum dweller and therefore should be charged 10 million isk to keep reading. The new order is a bunch of crap if read as a way of helping miners. If read any other way, it's hilarious and a great excuse to gank miners and get tears, and I'd consider voting James315 for CSM purely based on the hilarity of the minutes that would come out every time a summit was held.