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Target Painter V.S. Rigor Catalyst
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Lyell Wolf
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-01-28 21:33:48 UTC
For a fitting I want to test, I am only going to be able to fit either a T2 Rigor Catalyst or a factioned TP. I'm not too knowledgeable in the benefits of explosion radius and sig radius or the differences. If someone wishes to ellaborate on that, by all means.

Main question is, Faction TP or T2 Rigor?*

*I can only use one of either
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#2 - 2013-01-28 21:38:56 UTC
Short answer: with no further information, I'd say get the rigor.

Long answer: what is the context for you question? What ship? For what purpose are you fitting it? What kind of skills are we looking at to support it?
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-01-28 21:44:08 UTC
EFT, use it.

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Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
#4 - 2013-01-28 22:23:33 UTC
Can you please post the EFT that you are working on? It's good to see you messing with fittings but If you wish for help we need to know what you are working on. Especially if it has tight fittings like you say.
stoicfaux
#5 - 2013-01-29 01:57:55 UTC  |  Edited by: stoicfaux
Faction TP provides twice the benefit, but has range, cap, and cycle limitations.

What are you going to be doing?

edit: i waaay oversimplified. How small is your target and what missile type are you using?

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Eternal Error
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-01-29 02:28:38 UTC
You need to post your fit and your intended use (I'm assuming PvE, but what type?). Without that, the only useful info that I can post is that TP juggling is annoying, and often you will find yourself getting a TP on only ~1/2 of your targets due to cycle time.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#7 - 2013-01-29 11:09:22 UTC
Lyell Wolf wrote:
For a fitting I want to test, I am only going to be able to fit either a T2 Rigor Catalyst or a factioned TP. I'm not too knowledgeable in the benefits of explosion radius and sig radius or the differences. If someone wishes to ellaborate on that, by all means.

Main question is, Faction TP or T2 Rigor?*

*I can only use one of either


Will you be working alone or with a group?

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Alua Oresson
Aegis Ascending
Solyaris Chtonium
#8 - 2013-01-29 11:52:12 UTC
Lyell Wolf wrote:
For a fitting I want to test, I am only going to be able to fit either a T2 Rigor Catalyst or a factioned TP. I'm not too knowledgeable in the benefits of explosion radius and sig radius or the differences. If someone wishes to ellaborate on that, by all means.

Main question is, Faction TP or T2 Rigor?*

*I can only use one of either


To summarize what others have said, you don't supply near enough information to answer the question. You haven't even said whether you are doing PVE or PVP. You haven't supplied the ship that you are using, it's fit, whether it is solo or gang, what type of missiles you are using, or even what you expect to shoot. These are all important in determining which is the most useful for your application.

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Kane Alvo
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-01-29 18:03:40 UTC
I'm using x2 Rigors on my Drake for L3 missions, and am curious about this as well.

[Drake]

7x 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher

2x Mission appropriate hardeners
2x Shield Recharger II
2x Large Shield Extender II

3x Ballistic Control System I
Shield Power Relay I

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
2x Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

This was a somewhat recent fit that I found on Battleclinic, which is difficult for a newb to use, because there are tons of Drake fits on there and most of them seem to be trash. I have just over 1m SP, so this is the best I can do w/ my current skills. I read that the Rigors help w/ the cruisers and smaller ships that are found in L3's.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#10 - 2013-01-29 20:02:51 UTC
Kane Alvo wrote:
I'm using x2 Rigors on my Drake for L3 missions, and am curious about this as well.

[Drake]

7x 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher

2x Mission appropriate hardeners
2x Shield Recharger II
2x Large Shield Extender II

3x Ballistic Control System I
Shield Power Relay I

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
2x Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

This was a somewhat recent fit that I found on Battleclinic, which is difficult for a newb to use, because there are tons of Drake fits on there and most of them seem to be trash. I have just over 1m SP, so this is the best I can do w/ my current skills. I read that the Rigors help w/ the cruisers and smaller ships that are found in L3's.


That looks fine for L3s. I'd consider dropping the shield rechargers for an afterburner and a 3rd hardener. And use a meta 4 Shield Power Relay.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Uncle Gagarin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-02-01 05:06:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Uncle Gagarin
Kane Alvo wrote:
I'm using x2 Rigors on my Drake for L3 missions, and am curious about this as well.

[Drake]
...

This was a somewhat recent fit that I found on Battleclinic, which is difficult for a newb to use, because there are tons of Drake fits on there and most of them seem to be trash. I have just over 1m SP, so this is the best I can do w/ my current skills. I read that the Rigors help w/ the cruisers and smaller ships that are found in L3's.


Very nice fit. I like it. Thanks for sharing.
I will work on it in EFT to check few my ideas how to improve it.
Ideas to check:

- AB - imvho this is a must, but I started to appreciate it on lvl4, I think that on lvl3 there is too many incoming dps from small weapons that AB will not help in tank so much
- TP - to improove applied DPS
- less BC, more SPR meta 4 - TP and Flare should compensate DPS loos after -1 BC, SPR is more effective than SR, so finally one SR will became TP, second will became or AB or another hardener to optimal configuration 2+1 (primary/secondary incoming damage)
- Flare rig instead of shield one - I guess it will help a lot to apply DPS while 2x SPR+hardeners should work fine without a rig.

All those are just ideas I would like to check in EFT. I found flying that 2xRigor + Flare is very efficient combo against smaller and quickly moving targets.

Do not hestitate to PM me if I will forget to share results :)
That fitting overall looks very promising, has potential to build a Drake able to do missions quick.

Cheers,

Edit: I couldnt go sleep without checking this :) .
Here is variation of your fit:

[Drake, lvl3 quick missioner v2]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

Thermic Dissipation Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I

'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
[Empty High slot]

Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

Could be a bit tight on CPU, Launcher Rigging lvl3 can help with that. It's not cap stable with all running (circa 13-15mins)
but becames at 27% when 1 of 3 hardeners is turned off. In 10 mins you should get rid of peak incoming DPS.

Tank - before: 243, after: 298
DPS - on paper goes down from 191 downto 170 without drones (I suggest warriors, survive longer now).
DPS on paper looks worse but I expect with Flare rig will work at least same. It could be even better with TP in place of AB.

If you prefer more DPS and keep Shield Rig, here is variant easier to fit:

[Drake, lvl3 quick missioner v1]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

Thermic Dissipation Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
[Empty High slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

Tank - 283, DPS on paper unchanged but TP improves it a lot. Ofc, you can swap here TP with AB.

Numbers are taken based on a character with low overall skills, not on character "all 5".

Cheers.