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CCP... The Simple Solution to the NPC Corp Issue
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#121 - 2013-01-29 02:33:27 UTC
Sean Parisi wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
[quote=Sean Parisi]they are already penalized for being in an NPC corp.


not really.


They cannot claim sov - nor can player corps. That's an alliance-level thing.
they do not have access to standings - Not a problem for them, given how they play the game.
they are unable to save the 11% tax rate. - As has been stated, most of them don't engage in taxed activities.
They have to rely on the use of public slots as opposed to establishing their own POS - possibly the only real down side.
which can be used for moon mining - not in highsec, where most NPC characters live.
They cannot declare war on other people. - because they would ever want to? They're hiding in NPC corps. They don't want war.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#122 - 2013-01-29 03:06:27 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Okay, after catching up on the thread, I see a particular thing repeated over and over again by NPC corp members:

"I'm not interested in PVP" . . .


State War Academy
Center for Advanced Studies
Republic Military School
Viziam
etc., etc., etc.

Try again.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#123 - 2013-01-29 03:13:25 UTC
Sean Parisi wrote:
Like AFK cloaking it isn't remotely an issue. Let people play how they want to, they are already penalized for being in an NPC corp.

No they aren't. NPC corps need to removed so that the rest of New Eden stops being penalized.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#124 - 2013-01-29 03:15:46 UTC
Mayhaw Morgan wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Okay, after catching up on the thread, I see a particular thing repeated over and over again by NPC corp members:

"I'm not interested in PVP" . . .


State War Academy
Try again.


Members: 1,334,561
Kills per month: 487
Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#125 - 2013-01-29 03:45:56 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Members: 1,334,561
Kills per month: 487

Active EVE accounts: ~350,000

/hurr
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#126 - 2013-01-29 04:13:44 UTC
Mayhaw Morgan wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Okay, after catching up on the thread, I see a particular thing repeated over and over again by NPC corp members:

"I'm not interested in PVP" . . .


State War Academy
Center for Advanced Studies
Republic Military School
Viziam
etc., etc., etc.

Try again.


Because that totally negates the point I was making...

Wait, no it doesn't. Just because some people in NPC corps do PVP doesn't mean they all do. The fact is, a LOT of peopl are using them as shelters from combat while continuing to engage in other PVP aspects of the game. This is imbalanced and frankly needs to be ended.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
TharOkha
0asis Group
#127 - 2013-01-29 06:08:20 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Mayhaw Morgan wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Okay, after catching up on the thread, I see a particular thing repeated over and over again by NPC corp members:

"I'm not interested in PVP" . . .


State War Academy
Try again.


Members: 1,334,561
Kills per month: 487


I see that hisec haters degraded to hardcore demagogy.

Quote:
No they aren't. NPC corps need to removed so that the rest of New Eden stops being penalized. because only pew-pew oriented players have rights to profit
.

fixed that for ya.

CODE. Venture hunt contest in a nutshell
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#128 - 2013-01-29 06:12:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
I think the industry nerfs would be fair but this won't persuade people who don't want to be in player corps. they don't want the politics, the game running their life and they don't want to do boring activities with other people.

Not important - the goal is to create gameplay where you aren't rewarded with things like free wardec immunity for not participating socially in a mmo. CCP needs to come down hard on all forms of wardec evasion, which cannot happen unless things like NPC corps (in their current form) are removed.


Look. People aren't dumb. If an industrialist doesn't want to fight he is either going to do 3 things:

1. Go back to NPC corp.

2. Start another 1 man corp.

3. Stay docked.

If the industrialist can't do 1 or 2, he'll do 3 and if he has to do 3 he might as well quit the game since there is only so much fun you can get out of watching your ships in dock.


Option 4, set long skill don't log in. My personal favorite these days.

As for the wardec immunity, FIX THE BROKEN SYSTEM FIRST!!!!

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Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#129 - 2013-01-29 06:12:54 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Just because some people in [NPC corps, player corps, high sec, low sec, null, Jita, wormholes, etc.] do [PVP, PVE, exploration, mining, trading, manufacturing, etc.] doesn't mean they all do. The fact is, a LOT of peopl are using [NPC corps, player corps, high sec, low sec, null, Jita, wormholes, etc.] as shelters from [PVP, PVE, exploration, mining, trading, manufacturing, etc.] while continuing to engage in other [PVP, PVE, exploration, mining, trading, manufacturing, etc.] aspects of the game. This is imbalanced and frankly needs to be ended.


edited for clarity
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#130 - 2013-01-29 06:16:48 UTC
Mayhaw Morgan wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Just because some people in [NPC corps, player corps, high sec, low sec, null, Jita, wormholes, etc.] do [PVP, PVE, exploration, mining, trading, manufacturing, etc.] doesn't mean they all do. The fact is, a LOT of peopl are using [NPC corps, player corps, high sec, low sec, null, Jita, wormholes, etc.] as shelters from [PVP, PVE, exploration, mining, trading, manufacturing, etc.] while continuing to engage in other [PVP, PVE, exploration, mining, trading, manufacturing, etc.] aspects of the game. This is imbalanced and frankly needs to be ended.


edited for clarity


The edited statement is the whole reason why I would stay in such a corp. I don't have the time or notion to entertain anyone else in the game by being their target since I am so horrible at keeping friends in eve online. If you really want me dead that bad I do have a 5 million isk bounty on my head from past annoyances.

If you hate the npc corps so much put your money where your mouth is and bounty the people up and stop feeding the gank sharks you gank bears.

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#131 - 2013-01-29 06:18:00 UTC
Mayhaw Morgan wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Members: 1,334,561
Kills per month: 487

Active EVE accounts: ~350,000

/hurr


Total pilots ever, 4 million.

Dust 514's CPM 1 Iron Wolf Saber Eve mail me about Dust 514 issues.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#132 - 2013-01-29 06:29:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Mayhaw Morgan wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Okay, after catching up on the thread, I see a particular thing repeated over and over again by NPC corp members:

"I'm not interested in PVP" . . .


State War Academy
Try again.


Members: 1,334,561
Kills per month: 487

Militaris Industries
Members: 121
Kills per month: 2,423

This is fun.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#133 - 2013-01-29 06:45:42 UTC
TharOkha wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Mayhaw Morgan wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Okay, after catching up on the thread, I see a particular thing repeated over and over again by NPC corp members:

"I'm not interested in PVP" . . .


State War Academy
Try again.


State War Academy
Members: 1,334,561
Kills per month: 487


I see that hisec haters degraded to hardcore demagogy.


Pilot details - Donedy
kills last month = 538


my mistake npc corps clearly love PVP
Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#134 - 2013-01-29 07:12:21 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:

Pilot details - Donedy
kills last month = 538


my mistake npc corps clearly love PVP

He said we don't do ship combat against other players. Clearly, he was wrong. Are we now going to argue against NPC corps because they don't maintain good enough kill/death and ISK destroyed/ISK lost ratios? Let me ask you this: How much Veldspar has Donedy mined this month? And, if it isn't a lot, is that an argument against player-run corporations?
TharOkha
0asis Group
#135 - 2013-01-29 07:33:03 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:

Pilot details - Donedy
kills last month = 538


my mistake npc corps clearly love PVP


Dude, i was reacting on your disgusting demagogy that State war academy has 1,334,561 members while you clearly know that majority of them are inactive trial accounts.

Of course that NPC corp members dont love PVP, thats why they stay in NPC corps. But thats no reason to use heavy biased statistic.

CODE. Venture hunt contest in a nutshell
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#136 - 2013-01-29 07:33:43 UTC
Mayhaw Morgan wrote:

He said we don't do ship combat against other players.
And he was right.
Single players in EVE kill more then 1mil+ member NPC corps collectively.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#137 - 2013-01-29 07:45:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
TharOkha wrote:

Dude, i was reacting on your disgusting demagogy that State war academy has 1,334,561 members while you clearly know that majority of them are inactive trial accounts.
demagoguery is pointing to 432 kills as evidence of active participation PVP in a corporation of hundreds of thousands.
For the sake of argument you could say only 1 in 10,000 of those accounts are active.
And it'd still be incredibly low.
Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#138 - 2013-01-29 07:58:32 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
in a corporation of hundreds of thousands


You're getting warmer.

Mayhaw Morgan wrote:
Active EVE accounts: ~350,000


You can do it!
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#139 - 2013-01-29 10:28:05 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Because of basic game product fairness. If I pahy a sub, can make isk and can be war decced, EVERYONE beyond the noob stage should likewsie be vulnerable to the same thing (OR their should be some massive advantage to bine in a player corp to compensate).

you mean you made wrong decision (joining bad player corp, got no bonuses outside of magical "NPC CORP RICHES" and become vulnerable to wardecs) and everyone around should be nerfed because of it? Shocked

this is the best logic i've seen in GD forums Attention

Jenn aSide wrote:

NPC Corps are an exampleof a lot that's wrong with High Sec and why high sec personalietes are....off.

fully agree here. NPC corps are the sign that player runned corps in game are bapd. Ok. Ok. "not so good to beat war-dec protection". Which is sad actually.

Jenn aSide wrote:

An NPC corp is litterally CCP saying to a player "YOU can come in and play the game and have an affect on everyone else, but no one can screw with YOU unless they suicide their ship or you aggress 1st".

not true. you can be affected by lots of ways:
- bumping to death
- outmining in belts
- market pvp
- stealing loot/salvage
- stealing mission item
- stealing stuff from exploration sites
- etc, etc....

Jenn aSide wrote:
It's BS.

this.

take a look around. Looks like you have never seen anything outside of gate/station camping Cool

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Reuben Johnson
Gal-Min Industries
#140 - 2013-01-29 10:34:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Reuben Johnson
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Reuben Johnson wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Reuben Johnson wrote:
Hi-sec is already much more dangerous then null/low, so it looks like the the collective is already good at trying to protect their supply lines.
Nullsec has more ship losses (50.1%) then all other regions combined despite having only 20% of the active player population,.
Not really, most of the nullsec kills come from hi-seccers wanting to explore null sec for the first time
hm yes I heard there was a 2700 man fight the other day, must be a lot of hiseccers wanting to explore null sec for the first time at once. it's a good thing you opened your post with this statement btw.

Serioulsy, you got you're #'s from a one-off anomaly? RvB had 16,000 kills the same day in Poinen..0.6 space.