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Soooo this is really one of the end games for nulsec???
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Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#81 - 2013-01-28 16:51:54 UTC
Baron Dmitri Harkonnen wrote:
To be frank after watching this supposed "epic" clash made me want save the Damsel for the 7439th time compared to engaging in large fleet battles in low / null sec. How could you be remotely satisfied with the fight? You been **** on that much, friend?

All I could think when watching was....really??

You're not convincing anyone else, so I really hope you're managing to convince yourself buddy.

Or, maybe this is Eve's first "Didn't want to experience any content anyway" ?
Jenn aSide wrote:
So let me get this straight: So some high sec people are in this thread commenting about how "boring" a big huge epic supercapital fight was.

The same people that constantly tell us that "we" ruined null sec because everyone (especially huge groups like Goons and TEST) are "blue to everyone" and that null sec is so empty because no fights ever happen there etc etc.


High Sec people.....

There's no logic to it, because they're just rageragerage angry and trying really, really hard to convince themselves they're having a better experience than anyone else. See the guy I quoted, who non-ironically said he would rather do "combat" -- by which he means highsec missions, of course!

To be honest, though, the people who simply think "I want the biggest shipzzz!!" is "end game" are really the people least likely to make it there. As if that was a goal, anyway.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#82 - 2013-01-28 17:27:46 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
Well, not all of us 'Hisec' folk found it boring. Some of these people will whine regardless of what sec they are in.


You're right of course, there are haters everywhere, not just in high sec (and we know they are only a crazy fringe of high sec, not nearly everyone). It just boggles my mind that these vocal high sec based haters are so warped that they could look at the best, most epic part of EVE Online and find a way to crap on it.

Perhaps they are simply jealous (because nothing THEY will ever do will make real world news) , but whether it is that or something only a real life psychologist would be helpful for, it's still absolutely crazy.


So tell me how all these hi-sec players prevented you from having fun.

Or is it the fact contrary opinions to your world view make you mad?

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flakeys
Doomheim
#83 - 2013-01-28 17:30:43 UTC
Una Achura wrote:
Go to youtube, type in "Rooks and Kings" and watch the videos. Then say cap combat is boring. Roll




And then watch their small non-cap work after that to see what people actually mean in here when they say they dislike being in a big capital blobfight.Rooks and kings is not known for their capital blobs , that is PL.Rooks and kings is known for being VERRY versatile meaning they also are king in small scale.


You guys get all on your high horses because someone makes a comment that he thinks blob capital warfare is not his thing.''Carebear , go back to high-sec , go back to WoW , lol noob you don't know what you are talking about''.I have never done PI because it looks boring.So now anyone who does PI should immediatly start telling me i am an idiot and i play the game the wrong way ?


Really does everyone have to agree with everything YOU like or do?Do you really feel so insecure that you need a token of worship/respect from everyone in this game?

He did not say he dislikes pvp , he did not say he dislikes losses , he did not say he dislikes flying in fleets .... he said he dislikes big capital blob fights and i agree with him and yes i have participated in them a few times.Twice was enough to be honest to know it wasn't to my liking.

Amazing right that even in pvp people seem to have different tastes and opinions.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Barakach
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#84 - 2013-01-28 17:32:35 UTC
It would be more fun to watch if dilation wasn't so horrible that EvE was effectively a "turn based" game.

Modern servers should be plenty of power to calculate everything that is going on.

At least these large battles gives CCP some good data to see where the bottlenecks are.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#85 - 2013-01-28 18:03:08 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
Well, not all of us 'Hisec' folk found it boring. Some of these people will whine regardless of what sec they are in.


You're right of course, there are haters everywhere, not just in high sec (and we know they are only a crazy fringe of high sec, not nearly everyone). It just boggles my mind that these vocal high sec based haters are so warped that they could look at the best, most epic part of EVE Online and find a way to crap on it.

Perhaps they are simply jealous (because nothing THEY will ever do will make real world news) , but whether it is that or something only a real life psychologist would be helpful for, it's still absolutely crazy.


So tell me how all these hi-sec players prevented you from having fun.

Or is it the fact contrary opinions to your world view make you mad?


I'm just calling it like i see it. it is the op who ignorantly asks "Where's the tactics, the excitement, the enjoyment of a big capital space battle???", injecting his own preconceived notions of fun on the matter. A matter that he obviously didn't even participate in.

And yet I don't see you asking HIM "what all those pvp'rs did to prevent him from having fun".....

The kind of double standard you just displayed is typical of the high sec based haters of which I speak.

Contrary opinions are fine, stupid ones are not.
Una Achura
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#86 - 2013-01-28 18:29:48 UTC
flakeys wrote:


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You are right and my comment was far too short and lacked nuance. Probably because I spent 30 minutes repeating a few RnK vids before posting. Oops

My advice to the OP would still be the same, mainly because RnK vids feature some of the most important bits to capture what OP found lacking (sense of Tactics, excitement etc.), and that is voice comms. With Tidi and a sped up video that becomes impossible ofc.
I was very dissapointed when the voice comms switched to music in the Asakai vid when the first blob landed and Tidi set in. It became a lot less interesting to watch. Lots of flashy jump graphics, and a humongous blob, but the sense of what's happening dissapears.

Shorter me: You cannot use a video without voice as the slightest indication of how it felt to be there.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#87 - 2013-01-28 18:34:56 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
Well, not all of us 'Hisec' folk found it boring. Some of these people will whine regardless of what sec they are in.


You're right of course, there are haters everywhere, not just in high sec (and we know they are only a crazy fringe of high sec, not nearly everyone). It just boggles my mind that these vocal high sec based haters are so warped that they could look at the best, most epic part of EVE Online and find a way to crap on it.

Perhaps they are simply jealous (because nothing THEY will ever do will make real world news) , but whether it is that or something only a real life psychologist would be helpful for, it's still absolutely crazy.


So tell me how all these hi-sec players prevented you from having fun.

Or is it the fact contrary opinions to your world view make you mad?


I'm just calling it like i see it. it is the op who ignorantly asks "Where's the tactics, the excitement, the enjoyment of a big capital space battle???", injecting his own preconceived notions of fun on the matter. A matter that he obviously didn't even participate in.

And yet I don't see you asking HIM "what all those pvp'rs did to prevent him from having fun".....

The kind of double standard you just displayed is typical of the high sec based haters of which I speak.

Contrary opinions are fine, stupid ones are not.


So you let stupid people make you mad.

I don't know. I've read a lot on the forums and in these hi-sec vs other-sec threads you seem to be pretty vigilant on how hi-sec ruins the game. Its as if everytime someone in hi-sec earns isk, you act its like the banjo music from Delieverence starts playing and miners come out of the wood work to have their way with you.

It something that seems to eat you up inside and can't let it slide. You have to punch the keys!

I know I post a lot and when I do I type a lot (mostly useless stuff) but I don't go around letting people get me angry all the time.

Being so mad all the time can't be healthy.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#88 - 2013-01-28 18:44:08 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:


So you let stupid people make you mad.


Yes, their existence is offensive to nature. I like nature so screw those guys.

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I don't know. I've read a lot on the forums and in these hi-sec vs other-sec threads you seem to be pretty vigilant on how hi-sec ruins the game. Its as if everytime someone in hi-sec earns isk, you act its like the banjo music from Delieverence starts playing and miners come out of the wood work to have their way with you.


We don't talk about what happened that night in the backwoods of Jita, that was a long time ago and i'm over it.

But seriously. High Sec is a necessary evil at best and i get that. The majority of players there and everywhere are sensible I would think.

But then you8 have the "welfare queens in space" who think they should be totally safe, should never have to risk anything, don't like non-consensual pvp or EVEs death penalty , think that someone bumping them is griefing etc etc. I despise those types in game the same way I dislike leechs in real life.

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It something that seems to eat you up inside and can't let it slide. You have to punch the keys!

I know I post a lot and when I do I type a lot (mostly useless stuff) but I don't go around letting people get me angry all the time.

Being so mad all the time can't be healthy.


I don't care if something is healthy as long as it feels good, which is why I'm chain smoking 4 cuban cigars and drinking malt liquor while typing this. You only live once, might as well post about stupid high sec pubbies before you die.
Trendon Evenstar
Olympus Gods
#89 - 2013-01-28 19:46:18 UTC
Telrei wrote:
I just watched one of the most boring battles ive seen in awhile which is a shame because it could have, should been so much more


That battle was an anomaly given the sheer number of alliances and capitals involved and lowsec is terrible to begin with and has the worst hardware. Most large fleet fights in 0.0 are LOTS of fun. Anywhere from 500-1500 in local runs fairly well and are quite fun. More then 1500 starts to be a little too laggy.
flakeys
Doomheim
#90 - 2013-01-28 19:48:01 UTC
Una Achura wrote:

My advice to the OP would still be the same, mainly because RnK vids feature some of the most important bits to capture what OP found lacking (sense of Tactics, excitement etc.), and that is voice comms. With Tidi and a sped up video that becomes impossible ofc.
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I agree there , i love spending the evening watching their vids .I dont wanna sound too gay but i specially like the guy who's doing the talking in them , it's such a sublte and smooth voice you would want him for every ebook out thereBlink.

Nice vids , EXcellently explained why they did X and why they didn't do Y.They show big balls , a big knowledge off the game and i especially love how ''calm and decent'' they behave with orders etc during fights''

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#91 - 2013-01-29 17:56:52 UTC
Giant fights for the win. More ISK for us miners helping to replace the losses.

Small fights? Bah. A few BC losses is not going to keep the 80% of EVE players, you know us carebears, employed.

800+B in ships destroyed? My 4 toons (orca + 3 hulks) mine 1 billion a week( which is 250 mil per miner per week). So that one fight will keep 3,200 miner accounts fully employed for a full year. At $15 real x 12 months x 3200 accounts, that would be half a million dollars real to CCP.

(I know, I know... some of the loss was T2, which is more moon goo than rock bits. But these big fights take A LOT of minerals off the market!)
Morgenholt Blue
Swift Redemption.
#92 - 2013-01-29 18:14:14 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
As a super pilot in that battle, it was a blast. You're welcome to stay in hisec though, feel free.


Wow, you are easily entertained.
You do you enjoy watching paint dry as well?


Some of us aren't that interested in sub cap fights. I understand why some people like small frigate fights and such but personally sub cap fights bore me.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#93 - 2013-01-29 18:20:14 UTC
Morgenholt Blue wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
As a super pilot in that battle, it was a blast. You're welcome to stay in hisec though, feel free.


Wow, you are easily entertained.
You do you enjoy watching paint dry as well?


Some of us aren't that interested in sub cap fights. I understand why some people like small frigate fights and such but personally sub cap fights bore me.


I like Cruiser and Battlecruiser sized fights. They don't go pop as fast as frigates and dessies, but aren't as slow as battleship and above fights. ive been in cap ships in a cap fight, i prefer being in a cruiser or BS sized support ship during a cap fight though.

All that is moot to me, it isn't really about "play style" and "preferences". it's about some people simply being haters when real EVE player participate in real EVE battles that make the news and go down in history, and about jealousy at the fact that no one will remember how they saved that damn stupid always getting her self kidnapped Damsel for the 12,345th time.....
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#94 - 2013-01-29 21:19:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Some people prefer cap fights, others prefer sub caps, both are perfectly valid preferences. I don't really see a need to try and prove one is superior to the other, and frankly both are necessary.

Obviously the latest big cap fight was a bit slow paced. It was in the worst possible location (low sec) for a large fight due to additional crime watch server load, and due to being so unexpected it was not on a reinforced node.

Yet it still ran (albeit slowly) and fun was had by all.

Throwing stones is a favorite pass time on these forums, but this little brick slinging fest is pretty pointless.

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Balmer Banshot
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#95 - 2013-01-29 21:40:01 UTC
Silivar Karkun wrote:
goona put my grain of sand here, well the battle sounds like fun 6000+ guys in local, but most part of them blues sh*tting each other with their capital ships.

to be honest, i dream to have my own cap, but seeing more big ships than small or medium sized ones just doesnt feel like combat, i mean.

im used to the philosophy of fighters vs caps, or more realistic planes vs battleships. so it looks a bit weird to see such blob on the battlefield, without organization, this adding that these ships are slow has hell that they practically arent moving.

also, the effort that has to put the server in mantaining the battle without going down, and the number of players which doesnt allow to see sh*t on the screen, you have to see the battle from far away.

dont want to discourage cap pilots, but man, i was expecting something more, you know, dinamic (at least in terms of what dinamic means in EVE)


Without organization? There was a huge amount of organization by every group involved - multiple fleets calling different targets/align points, coordinating objectives etc. The cluster of ships was mainly due to TiDi with 2k+ people in system - 15-20 minutes of "fighting" over the course of 3-4 hours - aligns, warps were measured in 10's of minutes. Positioning was nearly impossible - we were working with what we had.

I enjoyed the fight, though the massive TiDi made me turn on a movie.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#96 - 2013-01-29 23:03:51 UTC
Telrei wrote:
Then tell me and any one else who was like me why???
I am not asking that sarcastically im serious, what am I missing???
It's not about the graphics, it's about the gameplay. It's not about the number of explosions, it's about the teamwork. It's about knowing that you played a part in something really massive, that affected so many people so strongly. Other games just can't compare because they're all about delivering a visual and sound stimulation experience, while the teamwork component is small or nonexistent and the stuff you get cannot be taken away from you.

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