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[Proposal] - Bombs in low-sec
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Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
#1 - 2012-11-27 17:11:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Terranid Meester
There is no real reason why stealth bombers cannot launch bombs in low sec. Maybe a member of the CSM could ask CCP why this is currently so.

Im sure anyone with half a brain could come up with a counter to a bomber with stabs. It would give bomber pilots something extra to do in low sec and would help counter "blob" warfare. I can understand no bombs in high sec possibly cos of black ops.

If there is a reason why bombs cannot be used in low sec I would like to hear it, so I can debunk the theory.
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-11-28 05:43:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Commander Ted
Their is a good reason, its the same one as why their are no bubbles. Null sec and empire low are distinct pvp environments that have different styles of pvp. Massive blobs aren't really a problem in low sec either. Lack of pvp is low secs problem.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#3 - 2012-11-28 12:16:53 UTC
Commander Ted wrote:
Lack of pvp is low secs problem.


You clearly don't know how to low sec.

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Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#4 - 2012-11-28 16:34:44 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Commander Ted wrote:
Lack of pvp is low secs problem.


You clearly don't know how to low sec.


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Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#5 - 2012-11-28 16:49:17 UTC
Terranid Meester wrote:
If there is a reason why bombs cannot be used in low sec I would like to hear it, so I can debunk the theory.

The answer you seek is somewhere in here.

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Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
#6 - 2012-12-02 16:50:51 UTC
Commander Ted wrote:
Their is a good reason, its the same one as why their are no bubbles. Null sec and empire low are distinct pvp environments that have different styles of pvp. Massive blobs aren't really a problem in low sec either. Lack of pvp is low secs problem.


Thats a poor reason. Sure I understand no-one wants to get podded with bubbles in low sec but you could use the reason that the gates are controlled by concord and so any bubbles get popped by the sentry guns. Smartbombs are allowed in low sec as an aoe weapon. Should smartbombs be removed from low sec? Poor fiction disallows bombs and a decent gameplay feature.
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-12-03 14:54:48 UTC
I'm going to go with no.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Corian Teranos
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-12-15 08:43:40 UTC
The pirates are just scared because they don't want a SB to drop a big steamer onto their gate camping party
Dyvim Slorm
Coven of the Morrigan
#9 - 2012-12-15 15:04:59 UTC
Corian Teranos wrote:
The pirates are just scared because they don't want a SB to drop a big steamer onto their gate camping party


Now that would liven things up a bit Big smile
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#10 - 2012-12-15 22:00:27 UTC
Corian Teranos wrote:
The pirates are just scared because they don't want a SB to drop a big steamer onto their gate camping party


That could make for hours of quality entertainment in Rancer.

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Cheekything
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-12-15 22:25:44 UTC
And lets allow people to anchor bubbles in low sec as well while we are at it.
Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
#12 - 2012-12-16 15:48:29 UTC
Cheekything wrote:
And lets allow people to anchor bubbles in low sec as well while we are at it.


Wouldn't the sentries merely shoot the bubbles? Anyway bubbles are completely different.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-12-17 03:47:31 UTC
Terranid Meester wrote:
Cheekything wrote:
And lets allow people to anchor bubbles in low sec as well while we are at it.


Wouldn't the sentries merely shoot the bubbles? Anyway bubbles are completely different.


Nope.
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#14 - 2012-12-17 15:45:04 UTC
Probably started out that way due to a bomb potentially affecting a massive number of objects and in low each "hit" would require a sec.status calculation = bombs would crash almost any lowsec node when deployed.

But .. they just rewrote the aggression code I think so perhaps .. can certainly argue for the utility bombs, not sure about vanilla bombs though (certainly out from an RP perspective) as the blobs they are designed to counter rarely spawn.
VonKolroth
Anarchist's Anonymous
#15 - 2013-01-13 09:53:31 UTC
Veshta Yoshida wrote:
Probably started out that way due to a bomb potentially affecting a massive number of objects and in low each "hit" would require a sec.status calculation = bombs would crash almost any lowsec node when deployed.

But .. they just rewrote the aggression code I think so perhaps .. can certainly argue for the utility bombs, not sure about vanilla bombs though (certainly out from an RP perspective) as the blobs they are designed to counter rarely spawn.


But I want to be -10, like, right now.

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Andracin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2013-01-16 11:13:54 UTC
Corian Teranos wrote:
The pirates are just scared because they don't want a SB to drop a big steamer onto their gate camping party


I actually lol'd this one. Ive been pirating for years and I don't think any pirate is scared of a stealth bombers with bombs. Most ships at a low sec camp are tanked because of sentries and while they are going to take damage from a bomb and one or two already damaged ships might die chances are about the same if stealth bombers showed up with torps. Considering bombing takes some skill and practice and a pinch of luck...a standard torp fit sb would probably be more effective. Go look at some of the alliance tournament matches, especially PL's...some times they could take out support but bombs rarely put larger tanked ships in any danger logi's or local reps couldn't pull them out of.
Like a bunch of other people have said it is alot more to do with server resources than anything. Although a t1 fw fleet might be a little fun to bomb as a pirate...Twisted
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
#17 - 2013-01-17 03:14:59 UTC
Terranid Meester wrote:
There is no real reason why stealth bombers cannot launch bombs in low sec. Maybe a member of the CSM could ask CCP why this is currently so.

Im sure anyone with half a brain could come up with a counter to a bomber with stabs. It would give bomber pilots something extra to do in low sec and would help counter "blob" warfare. I can understand no bombs in high sec possibly cos of black ops.

If there is a reason why bombs cannot be used in low sec I would like to hear it, so I can debunk the theory.


I support bombs in low sec because solo freighter kills are the best kills.
chopper14
Emo Rage Quit
#18 - 2013-01-24 11:17:46 UTC
The problem isn't that the pirates would be in danger.

The problem is jerk like me and my buddies, who would use this to kill every hauler that was brave enough to jump in.

When you jump in your about 13km of the gate. Bombs have a blast radius of 15km last I checked
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I have already had great success plugging gates with 6k radius smartbombs on their way out, with bombs I could get them comming in too.
No one would ever make it through low sec again!

Easy fix. Infuse low sec with an attribute that kills bombs area of effect down to 4.5k

Or create a secondary ammo type that they can use that can be fired like a torpedo. And trades power for tracking. So instead of 6k base damage it would have say, 3k

I could use something like this to hunt solo targets. With a wolf pack I could take down almost anything, but it would be useless for gate camping.

Right then, Game on ;)
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#19 - 2013-01-28 03:52:14 UTC
Ok how about this: Can't aim bombs at anything within 10km of a Gate or NPC station, but everywhere else bombs would be kosher?

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Serina Tsukaya
Dropbears Anonymous
Brave Collective
#20 - 2013-01-28 13:01:02 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Ok how about this: Can't aim bombs at anything within 10km of a Gate or NPC station, but everywhere else bombs would be kosher?


Tell me where else the bombs would then be used? There's little point in being able to use bombs in these systems if that's your suggestion. It's also an incentive for moving into null territory.


What i'm curious about is why Titans can't doomsday in low, now that their damage is no longer aoe.
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