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Minmatar are going to become the crap, CCP wants retribution not balance
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#261 - 2013-01-27 04:39:44 UTC
It'd probably kill shield gank Thorax.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#262 - 2013-01-28 01:58:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Maeltstome
Liang Nuren wrote:
It'd probably kill shield gank Thorax.

-Liang


A high-damage, close range, tracking bonused blaster ship against a neut AC ship. It's a question of time at that point, death of the stabber versus the thorax running dry.

Then again the stabber has weak cap also and will neut itself and possible loose tackle at some point.

Edit* And the medium drones i suppose punch hard given how low the stabbers EHP is.
Shenra Twrin
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#263 - 2013-01-28 03:09:20 UTC
Flying Loki in PVP all day... no problems here
W0lf Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#264 - 2013-01-28 03:11:56 UTC
You can just fit shield thorax with a scram tho! Best imo is the dualprop shield throrax, due to dualprop (and beeing faster with an ab then some afs) and scram you can pretty much guarante range control vs mwd/scram frigs and you have a good chance vs ab frig, so you eat frigs. Thanks to dual te in the lows (+ dc and magstabs) you have the same range as a kiting thorax so if a kiting frig shows up you have a good chance at killing it before it runs away. And to kill kiting cruisers you heat your mwd, catch them, tun on the ab and orbit at 500 with antimatter.
Warde Guildencrantz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#265 - 2013-02-21 19:25:20 UTC
i agree that the rifter needs another look over because it's totally outclassed by the slasher now. I may also agree that looking over the stabber is a good idea.

However the other boats? no. They are just balanced before compared to their clear betterness of previous times. Rupture used to be the only good pvp T1 cruiser, remember? Now just because the other 3 are good too doesn't mean minmatar got nerfed.

Hurricane with 2 neuts was ridiculous. I think they went a bit overboard on nerfing its powergrid in its current iteration, but they were right to remove a high slot. Hopefully they buff up the PG to compensate.

Also, the cyclone is friggin awesome now, don't know what you are thinking but its essentially the same ship but with HAMs instead of autos. I don't see the problem with that. It was already crazy good with autos and neuts, should be even better now that it has 5 lows for speed mods.

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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#266 - 2013-02-21 20:19:47 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
I'm pretty sure that Thorax will lose on EHP alone.

-Liang



Indeed. Not the best option, but the "gank with tank" and gtfo ability without implants, booster or OGB.

This little crap here does 762DPS or 853DPS with heat Hammers II/Neurons+void - 2218m/s and 3163 with heat for 18K EHP. Throw in some implants, OGB, boosters and you get over 22K EHP higher velocity/agility and yes, I think this thing is deadly with OGB specially if you see more than one on grid.


[Thorax, Munster]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Power Diagnostic System II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Hybrid Burst Aerator I


Hammerhead II x5

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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#267 - 2013-02-21 20:23:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Sergeant Acht Scultz
Liang Nuren wrote:
It'd probably kill shield gank Thorax.

-Liang


Depending how fight starts and what you're in. Ruppy would have very little chance against this, shield rax, specially with such low dps (400'ish in optimal).

Tried to do some stuff with Ruppy on eft and with my alt in game, it's just something you do'nt want to fit or just with arties/all dps mods for pure gate gank in numbers because of alpha

Fit this ruppy is really not easy, not saying it's impossible but this ship could use of some love like another turret hard point, more fittings and bit of cpu.

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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#268 - 2013-02-21 20:35:14 UTC
The Thorax you presented is basically the one that the conversation was about. It would die when trying to brawl down a Rupture. First, it would die because it has very low EHP. Second, it would die because it would run out of capacitor before killing the Rupture.

And finally: if you want to throw OGB links in then we might as well start talking about the Rupture being supported by a Legion... in which case the problem is so so so so much more true.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#269 - 2013-02-21 20:39:52 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
The Thorax you presented is basically the one that the conversation was about. It would die when trying to brawl down a Rupture. First, it would die because it has very low EHP. Second, it would die because it would run out of capacitor before killing the Rupture.

And finally: if you want to throw OGB links in then we might as well start talking about the Rupture being supported by a Legion... in which case the problem is so so so so much more true.

-Liang



Indeed, all scenarios are possible and that rax fit is more about a gankalol fit. imho ruppy could use a bit of love for his dps still.

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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#270 - 2013-02-21 20:44:16 UTC
I don't think the evidence provided really supports that conclusion. Certainly the situation is not nearly as dire as everyone has claimed in this thread. In the end, I'm sure the Rupture will be buffed and nerfed and buffed and nerfed and buffed and nerfed some more. Such is life in a MMO with an active game design team.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.