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The Infrastructure of EVE Online

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Xenuria
#1 - 2013-01-27 23:32:48 UTC
Due to recent events I think it is important to bring some focus to the hardware and software making New Eden what it is today.
I can remember in the past 3 years the servers were upgraded and EVE was down for a long time but it came back better than before. Maybe we need another upgrade or at least a better understanding of the daily problems CCP faces.


-The Questions-


  • What are the specs of the current infrastructure the hosts EvE Online?

  • Is there something better out there that could be bought or built?

  • If something better dose not exist what prevents CCP from buying more of what they have currently and using that to supplement the load?

  • What kind of software is used to facilitate the hosting of EVE? Can it be improved upon at a core level? Does something better exist?


If these questions could be answered I think it could cause a drop in the angry threads and misinformed posters while at the same time cultivating more informed and constructive conversations on the subject.

CSM 12 Candidate
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-01-27 23:34:11 UTC
eve's servers are bleeding edge supercomputers afaik
Xenuria
#3 - 2013-01-27 23:37:07 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
eve's servers are bleeding edge supercomputers afaik


Yes and as great as a concept that is I still want to know specifics. I want to learn to the extent that I can make an informed statement about what I think should be done.

CSM 12 Candidate
Kalle Demos
Ironic Corp Name
#4 - 2013-01-27 23:38:30 UTC
Instead of assuming, why not do some research on what they are using and how they are coding, then analyze it, then write a report on why they fail.

Dont assume, it makes your face look fat
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#5 - 2013-01-27 23:40:29 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
eve's servers are bleeding edge supercomputers afaik



I too believe everything I'm told...Roll


And something that was "cutting edge" last year, is a dinosaur now....


Signature removed - CCP Eterne
Xenuria
#6 - 2013-01-27 23:45:05 UTC
Kalle Demos wrote:
Instead of assuming, why not do some research on what they are using and how they are coding, then analyze it, then write a report on why they fail.

Dont assume, it makes your face look fat


Well this is why I created this thread. I don't want to make assumption when I can have facts and figures.

CSM 12 Candidate
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-01-27 23:58:57 UTC
Enjoy the reading.

Eve Online Server Model
Xenuria
#8 - 2013-01-28 00:02:24 UTC
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Enjoy the reading.

Eve Online Server Model

Novel Information but ultimately outdated.

CSM 12 Candidate
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-01-28 00:07:52 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Enjoy the reading.

Eve Online Server Model

Novel Information but ultimately outdated.


More Reading

CARBONIO
Ai Shun
#10 - 2013-01-28 00:15:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Ai Shun
Xenuria wrote:
If these questions could be answered I think it could cause a drop in the angry threads and misinformed posters while at the same time cultivating more informed and constructive conversations on the subject.


CSM candidate without access to a basic Google search?

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=769
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=792 (Heaps of useful information)

Yes, they are a bit older but you don't change wholescale infrastructure and design of that scale within that space of time. (Especially as it was fresh at that time)
Xenuria
#11 - 2013-01-28 00:16:24 UTC
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Enjoy the reading.

Eve Online Server Model

Novel Information but ultimately outdated.


More Reading

CARBONIO

Ok I just read that and I still don't have any of my questions answered.

I mean it sounds cool and like a step in the right direction but ultimately a problem still exists.

CSM 12 Candidate
Xenuria
#12 - 2013-01-28 00:20:08 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
If these questions could be answered I think it could cause a drop in the angry threads and misinformed posters while at the same time cultivating more informed and constructive conversations on the subject.


CSM candidate without access to a basic Google search?

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=769
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=792 (Heaps of useful information)

Yes, they are a bit older but you don't change wholescale infrastructure and design of that scale within that space of time. (Especially as it was fresh at that time)



I appreciate your enthusiasm. However those don't "explicitly" answer my questions. I am doing my best to keep up with all this but I find myself beset by a large clusters of information that all but answers what I want to know.

If the infrastructure can now use more than one CPU and there is still a problem then what is the next bottleneck?

CSM 12 Candidate
Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
#13 - 2013-01-28 00:23:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Pohbis
Xenuria wrote:
-The Questions-

  • What are the specs of the current infrastructure the hosts EvE Online?
I think this is the current TQ hardware;
TQ level up

EDIT: Already posted I see :)
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-01-28 00:26:50 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
If these questions could be answered I think it could cause a drop in the angry threads and misinformed posters while at the same time cultivating more informed and constructive conversations on the subject.


CSM candidate without access to a basic Google search?

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=769
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=792 (Heaps of useful information)

Yes, they are a bit older but you don't change wholescale infrastructure and design of that scale within that space of time. (Especially as it was fresh at that time)



I appreciate your enthusiasm. However those don't "explicitly" answer my questions. I am doing my best to keep up with all this but I find myself beset by a large clusters of information that all but answers what I want to know.

If the infrastructure can now use more than one CPU and there is still a problem then what is the next bottleneck?


The Bottleneck still lies within the Python Stackless which EVE depends on.
Xenuria
#15 - 2013-01-28 00:27:28 UTC
Pohbis wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
-The Questions-

  • What are the specs of the current infrastructure the hosts EvE Online?
I think this is the current TQ hardware;
TQ level up

EDIT: Already posted I see :)


If that is accurate than the infrastructure IS out of date and CAN/SHOULD be upgraded.

CSM 12 Candidate
Gillia Winddancer
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-01-28 00:31:44 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Pohbis wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
-The Questions-

  • What are the specs of the current infrastructure the hosts EvE Online?
I think this is the current TQ hardware;
TQ level up

EDIT: Already posted I see :)


If that is accurate than the infrastructure IS out of date and CAN/SHOULD be upgraded.


Dear lord.

This from a CSM candidate? Why do I suddenly fear for the future of EVE?

Just a quick question but: are you aware that having 1k players slugging it out in a playable fashion was something unheard of a mere couple of years ago?

Are you in fact even remotely aware of the history of the constant hardware upgrades for EVE?

And your suggestion is a simple "CCP, throw moar money on hardware cuz EVE pokemon pilots keep pushing the boundaries!!!"

Common sense. Buy some.
Ai Shun
#17 - 2013-01-28 00:34:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Ai Shun
Xenuria wrote:
If that is accurate than the infrastructure IS out of date and CAN/SHOULD be upgraded.


Why? The infrastructure design is reasonably solid and as the other blogs in that list showed (That list you didn't bother reading, right?) there are bottlenecks other than their infrastructure.

Gillia Winddancer wrote:
This from a CSM candidate? Why do I suddenly fear for the future of EVE?


Bonus is that you at least know who NOT to vote for :)
Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
#18 - 2013-01-28 00:35:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Pohbis
Xenuria wrote:
If the infrastructure can now use more than one CPU and there is still a problem then what is the next bottleneck?
The bottleneck is that one system, or a group of systems, can only use one CPU.

They can not use multiple CPUs. So while you can spread different systems on multiple CPUs, the max one system can ever get, is one CPU.

Since CPUs have reached a wall in terms clockspeeds and are instead increasing the amount of cores, it is becoming increasingly difficult to actually upgrade the amount of CPU cycles a single system can have access to.
Xenuria
#19 - 2013-01-28 00:35:33 UTC
Gillia Winddancer wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Pohbis wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
-The Questions-

  • What are the specs of the current infrastructure the hosts EvE Online?
I think this is the current TQ hardware;
TQ level up

EDIT: Already posted I see :)


If that is accurate than the infrastructure IS out of date and CAN/SHOULD be upgraded.


Dear lord.

This from a CSM candidate? Why do I suddenly fear for the future of EVE?

Just a quick question but: are you aware that having 1k players slugging it out in a playable fashion was something unheard of a mere couple of years ago?

Are you in fact even remotely aware of the history of the constant hardware upgrades for EVE?

And your suggestion is a simple "CCP, throw moar money on hardware cuz EVE pokemon pilots keep pushing the boundaries!!!"

Common sense. Buy some.


So let me get this straight, your argument is that I am a bad CSM candidate because I am trying to better understand eve?
You also seem to be making the case that the infrastructure is good enough and should not be improved upon.

CSM 12 Candidate
Hannah Flex
#20 - 2013-01-28 00:36:13 UTC
Another thread where Xenuria admits to be thoroughly uninformed and crowdsources research for another failed csm bid. Hi Xenuria, get out.
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