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Help finding a ship for WH exploration.

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Matias Otero
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#1 - 2013-01-26 16:03:14 UTC
So I joined EVE (again) about a month ago, and decided I didn't want to to go the kill-10-rats route of agent missions. I have a dream job in EVE. A job where I roam the chaotic universe of EVE as a free agent, an adventurer probing the dangerous depths of space for forgotten knowledge and ancient treasure.

Yesterday I made my first serious attempt at lowsec exploration. Fitted my cheapest exploration ship and started scanning pirate-infested systems. After 20 minutes I'd found a radar site. Excited I jumped in to find an unguarded antenna array. As I hacked the first object, an entire ******* fleet spawned on top of me. Cruisers, frigates and whatnot. Somehow my dirt-cheap Imicus managed to kite and speedtank 6 cruiser-sized rats while my drones chipped away at them. I love that misshaped little bastard. When the battle was over, I opened the cans and found over 26m in some weird production manuals that people in Jita apparently pay a lot for. I had just found enough money to fund my next 20 frigates.

So far, so good, but then I went into a WH, found a radar site and went into it expecting huge piles of money. Turns out I cant even look at a sleeper drone without my shields evaporating, and the bastards like to target my drones. So this is my next goal, a ship that can raid archeological and hacking sites while handling rats in WH space. I don't want to split my travels by using two ships, finding an exciting new site and have to go back 5 systems to find a ship to take it on is not my idea of fun. I want a ship that can do it all, even if slowly and with more risk involved.

So far my internet research suggests an Arbitrator or a Vexor, but can they really handle a radar site in a class 1 Wormhole?
Cavilha
Tupy Industries
#2 - 2013-01-26 16:57:24 UTC
It depends on the class of WH. C1 and C2 you'll need a BC. C3 will need a T3. C4 upwards only group.

If you do not know WH suggest researching their classes and sites.

http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=WormholeSpaceClass3
Machagon
Amamake Anarchist Community College
#3 - 2013-01-26 17:12:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Machagon
Yeah, to solo sites in a class 1 or class 2 you really need a battlecruiser, and I wouldn't recommend a drone boat. I used to solo them quite effectively in a Hurricane, though I've also done it in Cyclones and Brutixes.

In fact, I still have a probing rigged hurricane kicking around with a sisters probe launcher, a salvager, a codebreaker, an analyzer. I used to spend all my time wandering wormholes in that ship and I didn't want to have to pop back out to k-space to refit between sites.

If you're really itching to get into wormholes before you can sit in a battlecruiser, I'll tell you that I have soloed C1 sites in a Rupture, but it's really touch and go. Not for the faint of heart.

Welcome to exploration! It's some of the best fun in EVE.
Morgan Torry
Arma Purgatorium
#4 - 2013-01-26 19:16:50 UTC
Obviously your goal should be your preferred T3 Cruiser. They come very close to being able to do it all "in one" though it is a lot of ISK investment to reach that. Hurricanes, Drakes and Prophecies, in my experience, can run C1's and C2's solo and still have two mods for exploration (analyzer/hacker) and the probe launchers. Salvagers may be hit or miss depending on the hull you went with of course. Seeing as how you appear to prefer Gallente, I'd highly recommend the Brutix.

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lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#5 - 2013-01-26 21:16:53 UTC
Cloaky proteus

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Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-01-26 21:18:48 UTC
I don't know what your skills look like. After a month proly not super groovy but with the right support skills its possible to solo C1's in an assault frig or HAC. You won't have the slots to do explo sites but the anoms still make decent isk for daytripping
Sushi Nardieu
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-01-27 08:12:43 UTC
2 chars help a lot

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Glyndi
Doom Generation
Best Intentions.
#8 - 2013-01-27 08:47:08 UTC
Use some of the awesome resources out there to help identify the WH your in just to make sure your not in over your head.

wormhol.es is a great in-game browser site.

As far as a ship is concerned I would say a Tech 3, but even then a prober/salvage setup might get iffy when running certain sites.
Matias Otero
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#9 - 2013-01-27 11:15:31 UTC
Just to clarify, let's say my first goal is to clear the easiest of easiest WH sites. Keep in mind that this is a newbie account, not the EVE rich. A bazillion ISK ship that requires a month to fly is useless.
Machagon
Amamake Anarchist Community College
#10 - 2013-01-27 14:24:29 UTC
Right, so I stand by my suggestion. The cheapest and lowest-SP way to do the easiest WH sites is a Hurricane or Brutix, OR a Rupture and a lot of guts/patience (unfortunately, I don't think there's really a Gallente cruiser that can field enough tank while projecting enough non-drone DPS).
Marsan
#11 - 2013-01-27 18:05:23 UTC
My advice is to skill up to a Drake or similar nondrone Battle Cruiser. You can run the simpler 100% sites in a C1 or C2 solo. The major issues with it that I see are:

- That an all in one ship will lose 2 high slots to the probe launcher, and salvager. This my nerf your dps too much.
- The real danger in a C1-3 is other players so check dscan a lot, and don't bring something you can't afford to lose.


PS- Have you considered a wormhole corp? If you can fly a battlecruiser, and scan you should be able to join a wormhole corp. It won't be the greatest corp and sooner or later you'll all die horribly or get your stuff stolen, but as long as you don't leave all your stuff in the hole you'll still come out ahead of soloing.

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Matias Otero
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#12 - 2013-01-27 18:30:27 UTC
Marsan wrote:
My advice is to skill up to a Drake or similar nondrone Battle Cruiser. You can run the simpler 100% sites in a C1 or C2 solo. The major issues with it that I see are:

- That an all in one ship will lose 2 high slots to the probe launcher, and salvager. This my nerf your dps too much.
- The real danger in a C1-3 is other players so check dscan a lot, and don't bring something you can't afford to lose.


PS- Have you considered a wormhole corp? If you can fly a battlecruiser, and scan you should be able to join a wormhole corp. It won't be the greatest corp and sooner or later you'll all die horribly or get your stuff stolen, but as long as you don't leave all your stuff in the hole you'll still come out ahead of soloing.


I can scan, well, at least I haven't found a signature I couldn't scan down yet. I've just worked my way up to gallente cruisers, so BC's are still a bit off. I guess I'm pretty useless to a WH corp but I'd like to join one.

Just loaded an industrial with a ton of ships and gear, I'm going to set up camp in 0.5 next to a bunch of deserted lowsec systems and mine/salvage/hack everything I scan down. Any advice as to where I should go?
Leetha Layne
#13 - 2013-01-27 18:47:33 UTC
Matias Otero wrote:
Just to clarify, let's say my first goal is to clear the easiest of easiest WH sites. Keep in mind that this is a newbie account, not the EVE rich. A bazillion ISK ship that requires a month to fly is useless.



A WELL SKILLED (that means not just able to fly the boat) BC will handle C1/C2. If there are residents, even more so.
Matias Otero
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#14 - 2013-01-27 19:20:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Matias Otero
Leetha Layne wrote:
Matias Otero wrote:
Just to clarify, let's say my first goal is to clear the easiest of easiest WH sites. Keep in mind that this is a newbie account, not the EVE rich. A bazillion ISK ship that requires a month to fly is useless.



A WELL SKILLED (that means not just able to fly the boat) BC will handle C1/C2. If there are residents, even more so.


Meaning as a new player I can't do anything in wormholes?
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-01-27 20:21:34 UTC
Wormholes are generally a bit more advanced content yes. That being said I moved into a C1 wormhole after only having been playing for about 5 months. At the time my only viable combat pilot flew a fairly well skills Myrmidon. It worked but was less than optimal.
Utsen Dari
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2013-01-27 23:05:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Utsen Dari
Matias Otero wrote:
Meaning as a new player I can't do anything in wormholes?

A functional stealth bomber takes about a month from a standing start, if you are interested in lurking around and munching soft PvP targets. You could do the same in a Rifter in much less time but your targets would be limited to people who completely fail at D-scan.
Marsan
#17 - 2013-01-28 07:34:32 UTC
Matias Otero wrote:

I can scan, well, at least I haven't found a signature I couldn't scan down yet. I've just worked my way up to gallente cruisers, so BC's are still a bit off. I guess I'm pretty useless to a WH corp but I'd like to join one.


It depends on the corp. Some corp are hungry/friendly enough for new members they take in newbies who can barely run their sites. But honestly unless you can use a drake or cane soloing a wormhole site is fairly dicey. (You can do it in other BCs but you need better skills, and T2 frigates are marginal in C1 Perimeter sites) Personally I look at having fun doing what you are doing and work on getting Battlecruiser skill in at least one race. It looks to me based on the dev blog that post summer all races will have a good BC for running sites in a wormhole. (Gallete and Amarr less so as one will be a drone boat...)

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Luxifuge Rofocale
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2013-01-30 17:00:47 UTC
Just wanted to say hi and thank you for providing the most fun I've ever had in EvE.

You got away with a nice catch and I do hope our paths cross again!

Until next time Pirate
Matias Otero
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#19 - 2013-01-30 18:04:53 UTC
Luxifuge Rofocale wrote:
Just wanted to say hi and thank you for providing the most fun I've ever had in EvE.

You got away with a nice catch and I do hope our paths cross again!

Until next time Pirate


I've got to say the same. I'm hooked thanks to you.
Din Chao
#20 - 2013-01-30 18:28:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Din Chao
I don't know if it's still viable, but I have an old issue of Eon that has a Myrmidon WH fit.

Problem is obviously it's a drone fit, but it should be viable for C1/2s. Never tried it myself, though.

Something like:

[Myrmidon, WH Don]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Shield Power Relay II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I

Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I
Prototype Cloaking Device I
Salvager I
Dual 150mm Railgun II, Spike M
Dual 150mm Railgun II, Spike M
Dual 150mm Railgun II, Spike M

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
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