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Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#341 - 2013-01-27 12:42:16 UTC
Lovely Dumplings wrote:
No thanks to P2W "safe" ISK from midair. Solves no problem, generates many.

Where do you draw the line? I can scam someone out of "safe" ISK for $$$ just as fast as I can scam a PLEX. We'd be hearing about "Mommy bought me $30 worth of ISK for my birthday and some mean person sold me a piece of Carbon that I thought was a Charon!"


Not from me you wont. A kid that can figure out the character exchange and knows enough to by a charon is fair game. That person has been in game long enough to know what the risks are.

And direct ISK for RL$ is my least favorite option for new people to get in game items, it is just the simplest.

My favorite idea is the "bling ships": super shiny ships that are invuln for a certain length or time, number of jumps, or until they attack someone. One bling ship or the bling loot that they can drop can be traded in for 1 week of gametime.

The whole thing just makes me laugh.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#342 - 2013-01-27 12:43:00 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:


I don't even care if the if the value of PLEX is greater, making it the better option. Only that the initiated are not exposed to the risks of PLEX.


The risk being an utter inability to work out that 0 does not equal 600,000,000.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#343 - 2013-01-27 12:43:51 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
PLEX should still be an option in game. But it should be buried on the accounts page so that only veteran pilots will find it.


Then he says:

Corey Fumimasa wrote:
I don't like business practices that drive away money and I don't like it when people manipulate facts for personal gain.


Here's a shocker for you; Your idea would do exactly that. Advertising PLEX makes CCP money. Why would they stop doing that just because you heard about something that might not have happened?



They can advertise whatever the replacement is as easily as advertising PLEX.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#344 - 2013-01-27 12:46:59 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Corey Fumimasa wrote:


I don't even care if the if the value of PLEX is greater, making it the better option. Only that the initiated are not exposed to the risks of PLEX.


The risk being an utter inability to work out that 0 does not equal 600,000,000.


The risk being that the in game exchange system, be it contracts or market or station trade, is designed to have some room for fraud.

Maxpie wrote:


There is (or was?) an exploit involving the trade window. I haven't used the trade window in years with a stranger, so I have no idea if it's ever been fixed. But people used to get scammed all the time due to a faulty interface, not due to their own mistake. Their 'stupidity' was in the fact that they were unaware of the bug/exploit itself.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#345 - 2013-01-27 12:50:45 UTC
anyway if that guy was stupid enough to get scammed out of a PLEX he would have been scammed out of the money that he'd get from selling it, or things he'd buy with that money

there's new and there's stupid, they're not the same thing

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#346 - 2013-01-27 12:56:02 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


The risk being an utter inability to work out that 0 does not equal 600,000,000.


The risk being that the in game exchange system, be it contracts or market or station trade, is designed to have some room for fraud.






As I said, utter inability to work out that 0 does not equal 600,000,000.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#347 - 2013-01-27 12:59:42 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Andski wrote:
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
I'm suggesting that PLEX be removed as an option for new players to buy in game items. There are many other options which will better allow a new player to buy a few in game items and look around at Eve, idc which one they implement in its stead so long as it allows someone buying in game currency to play with it a bit, and that experience makes them more likely to come back to Eve and spend some more money.


because new players are obviously the only buyers of PLEX right


Most people find the game more enjoyable having to earn their way. Buying PLEX & selling it on the market diminishes the whole experience & makes them less likely to continue playing.

I'm actually in total agreement with you here. But the trend is real regardless of how we play the game, or feel that the game is best enjoyed.
Lovely Dumplings
My Little Pony Appreciation Corporation
#348 - 2013-01-27 13:24:37 UTC
Hey, I've got the perfect way to solve this problem. Lets just make a new currency to go along with ISK, that you buy with RL cash. This new currency will be totally safe, because it doesn't interact with the market at all. In fact, in order to "get the word out" and have people use this new, safe currency, CCP could sell things like unique, more powerful ships, clothing that can't be destroyed, powerful "platinum" ammo for guns..... All safe from scams and market manipulation from players.

I propose we call this new currency "Argentum".






(yeah, there's a Latin joke in there. Enjoy.)

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#349 - 2013-01-27 13:28:58 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
PLEX should still be an option in game. But it should be buried on the accounts page so that only veteran pilots will find it.


Then he says:

Corey Fumimasa wrote:
I don't like business practices that drive away money and I don't like it when people manipulate facts for personal gain.


Here's a shocker for you; Your idea would do exactly that. Advertising PLEX makes CCP money. Why would they stop doing that just because you heard about something that might not have happened?



They can advertise whatever the replacement is as easily as advertising PLEX.


Why replace something that works fine as it is? People get scammed out of PLEX for being greedy & not paying attention, not because there's something wrong with the system (which there isn't).

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