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OldWolf69
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2013-01-26 12:24:13 UTC
"The Raven is the powerhouse of the Caldari Navy. With its myriad launcher slots and powerful shields, few ships can rival it in strength or majesty."
Top or Flop? Is this Ship at least close to it's description, or it's just a way to discover how bad some of the Battleships really are?
Some opinions, gentlemen?Big smile
Kery Nysell
#2 - 2013-01-26 12:58:46 UTC
It's a really good mission boat if your support skills are up to the challenge ... like all battleships, it is NOT noob-friendly.

Don't really know for PvP, I think the usual wisdom is that missiles are "too slow" for that, instant damage of turrets is better.

Of course, the best of the best ship for L4 running is the Machariel at the moment ...

...
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-01-26 13:01:43 UTC
it is a decent mission ship if you're broke. you can make it work in pvp if you really want to, but other (turret) ships work better.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Kasutra
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#4 - 2013-01-26 14:35:15 UTC
It suffers a bit due to BS (and up) missiles being in need of a facelift.

I really want to try a torpedo one in PvP, though. Should be funny against a webbed Drake. Big smile
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-01-26 16:52:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Barrogh Habalu
Kasutra wrote:
It suffers a bit due to BS (and up) missiles being in need of a facelift.

You know that something is screwed when CCP informs that they are looking into the matter.
Potentially good news. Not before BS rebalancing though, I believe.

Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#6 - 2013-01-26 17:23:23 UTC
OldWolf69 wrote:
"The Raven is the powerhouse of the Caldari Navy. With its myriad launcher slots and powerful shields, few ships can rival it in strength or majesty."
Top or Flop? Is this Ship at least close to it's description, or it's just a way to discover how bad some of the Battleships really are?
Some opinions, gentlemen?Big smile


Tell me another battleship that can hit 1000dps while sporting a 750 DPS tank and call that sh*t too. Raven is fine. Just pretend it's a minmatar/gallente ship and then you'll probably whine that it's OP.

Lost count of the number of "raven is bad?" threads ive read. They are wrong.
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#7 - 2013-01-26 17:24:40 UTC
Kasutra wrote:
It suffers a bit due to BS (and up) missiles being in need of a facelift.

I really want to try a torpedo one in PvP, though. Should be funny against a webbed Drake. Big smile


Anything that's microwarping will take a massive pounding from torps. It's acutally quite difficult to mitigate torp damage once your signature starts to increase. TP's, MWD's etc. are all crazy good for caldari.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-01-26 17:57:28 UTC
Works fine for me.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!
Flakey Foont
#9 - 2013-01-26 17:59:27 UTC
Problem is that newer folks first train to sit in a BS then complain it sucks because they have not trained up the support skills to make it work right.

They then post that a particular ship "sucks."

A Raven is a great ship if you are skilled and know how to use it.
OldWolf69
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2013-01-27 03:01:26 UTC
Maeltstome wrote:
OldWolf69 wrote:
"The Raven is the powerhouse of the Caldari Navy. With its myriad launcher slots and powerful shields, few ships can rival it in strength or majesty."
Top or Flop? Is this Ship at least close to it's description, or it's just a way to discover how bad some of the Battleships really are?
Some opinions, gentlemen?Big smile


Tell me another battleship that can hit 1000dps while sporting a 750 DPS tank and call that sh*t too. Raven is fine. Just pretend it's a minmatar/gallente ship and then you'll probably whine that it's OP.

Lost count of the number of "raven is bad?" threads ive read. They are wrong.

I just asked what you guys think. Never stated what i think. But go on, do your number.
loki energon
Anasazi Wanderratter's Social Club
#11 - 2013-01-27 04:15:56 UTC
i run alot of L4s. i fly alot of ships. different ships, big ones, small ones, fast ones..... on my quest to be a capsuleer. in my mission hangar i currently have a command ship, 2 HACs, a faction cruiser, 3 frigs, and a Raven. if i have ANY inkling im not going to be able to run a mission in one of my other boats, ill grab my raven. it never lets me down ive run into a few harder mission that will run my shields into the far end but not many, and with the new micro-jump drive, the mechanics of ravenism has only gotten better. warp in, jump to 100km, and kill 'em all.

kill em all.
Gypsio III
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-01-27 11:07:58 UTC
Torp explosion radius is now 337.5 m which means that BS will take full damage and BCs will take plenty, without requiring any painting. I think the main problem with the Raven, aside from the generally lacklustre status of BS in general, is that it's just a bit too flimsy. Not enough medslots and no XLSEs to fit a decent buffer. Shifting a highslot to a medslot would go down well.
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#13 - 2013-01-27 15:02:45 UTC
OldWolf69 wrote:
Maeltstome wrote:
OldWolf69 wrote:
"The Raven is the powerhouse of the Caldari Navy. With its myriad launcher slots and powerful shields, few ships can rival it in strength or majesty."
Top or Flop? Is this Ship at least close to it's description, or it's just a way to discover how bad some of the Battleships really are?
Some opinions, gentlemen?Big smile


Tell me another battleship that can hit 1000dps while sporting a 750 DPS tank and call that sh*t too. Raven is fine. Just pretend it's a minmatar/gallente ship and then you'll probably whine that it's OP.

Lost count of the number of "raven is bad?" threads ive read. They are wrong.

I just asked what you guys think. Never stated what i think. But go on, do your number.


Said i lsot count of these threads, didn't say yours was one :)
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#14 - 2013-01-27 15:03:53 UTC
Gypsio III wrote:
Torp explosion radius is now 337.5 m which means that BS will take full damage and BCs will take plenty, without requiring any painting. I think the main problem with the Raven, aside from the generally lacklustre status of BS in general, is that it's just a bit too flimsy. Not enough medslots and no XLSEs to fit a decent buffer. Shifting a highslot to a medslot would go down well.


Rigors make cruisers take full damage if they aren't AB'ing.
Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-01-27 21:45:15 UTC
Maeltstome wrote:
Rigors make cruisers take full damage if they aren't AB'ing.


No they don't. You might want to check your math there.
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers
#16 - 2013-01-28 12:53:00 UTC
i find a good torp setup with someone painting and webbing for you works amazingly well in PvP
Mr Floydy
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#17 - 2013-01-28 14:25:43 UTC
I've always seen the main issue with the Raven for PvP - is that in general armour fleets are more popular? It's clearly a good mission boat when compared to other non faction battleships!
SMT008
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-01-28 14:32:18 UTC
Maeltstome wrote:

Tell me another battleship that can hit 1000dps while sporting a 750 DPS tank and call that sh*t too. Raven is fine. Just pretend it's a minmatar/gallente ship and then you'll probably whine that it's OP.

Lost count of the number of "raven is bad?" threads ive read. They are wrong.


It's pretty simple.

PVE-wise, you have to fit cruise missiles for it to be practical.

I guess it's a PVE ship that can be considered as "not-that-bad, flyable".

PVP-wise, it's bad and one of the worst PVP battleships around.

Sure it deals 1k DPS on paper.

It has a weak tank, you absolutely need to have someone tackling for you (With webs) AND you need target painters if you want to really deal the amount of damage you are supposed to deal.

Everytime you encounter a kiting ship or something fast with a small signature (Every T3s, most HACs, most cruisers), you won't do anything to it.

The Megathron does a better job at close-range brawling. Same goes for the Rokh (higher tank, comparable damage, better damage projection at range). The Tempest is the most mobile of them all and it has dual-neuts, which is good.

The Maelstrom can sport a very strong active-tank. The Hyperion does that and can solidly tackle things too. A small-gang Abbadon would probably work too.

The Raven is just bad at PVP. Why would fly a ship that has troubles dealing any kind of damage everytime your target isn't solidly dual-webbed and dual targetpainted ?

Did I mention its capacitor is retardedly bad too ?
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#19 - 2013-01-28 14:48:31 UTC
Sal Landry wrote:
Maeltstome wrote:
Rigors make cruisers take full damage if they aren't AB'ing.


No they don't. You might want to check your math there.


*checks math*

torps + 3x rigor = ~208m radius

208m * 0.75 (GMP lvl 5) = 156m

Last time i check 125-200 was average cruiser size. depending on hull/shield mods. Care to retract your statement? Or do you have some broken logic to launch on me.
Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-01-28 21:15:00 UTC
Maeltstome wrote:

*checks math*

torps + 3x rigor = ~208m radius

208m * 0.75 (GMP lvl 5) = 156m

No, they have radius of 208 with all 5 skills and 3 rigors. You're applying the skill bonus twice for some reason.
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