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How is bumping off undock not an exploit?
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Chokichi Ozuwara
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-01-26 19:56:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Chokichi Ozuwara
Obviously, there is limited invulnerability when undocking, so then wouldn't that make bumping off of undock an exploit, and it so, why haven't CCP addressed it?

inb4 bad posts
inb4 people who like to bump
inb4 station games are worse

Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round.
Whitehound
#2 - 2013-01-26 19:59:19 UTC
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:
Obviously, there is limited invulnerability when undocking, so then wouldn't that make bumping off of undock an exploit, and it so, why haven't CCP addressed it?

inb4 bad posts
inb4 people who like to bump
inb4 station games are worse

I am guessing that this is to avoid congestion at undocks, but not necessarily to protect your ship from harm.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#3 - 2013-01-26 20:06:54 UTC
IDGI… Why would (or should) it be an exploit, again? What?
Whitehound
#4 - 2013-01-26 20:10:31 UTC
Tippia wrote:
IDGI… Why would (or should) it be an exploit, again? What?

He is asking and not saying that it is.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#5 - 2013-01-26 20:14:47 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Tippia wrote:
IDGI… Why would (or should) it be an exploit, again? What?

He is asking and not saying that it is.

…and I'm asking why would it be, since he's a bit unclear on the reason for asking that question.
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-01-26 20:19:05 UTC
The tool you want to use to defend yourself in this situation is an insta-undock bookmark. If you google it I'm sure you'll find a guide to making one.

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wallenbergaren
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-01-26 20:22:24 UTC
Afaik you don't have collision during the invuln period
piecakes's brother
Assasinated Zombies
#8 - 2013-01-26 20:30:13 UTC
This is very simple...


A few years ago I bumped miners out a belt.. The miner petetioned it.. I was contacted by a GM and warned me further bumping will lead to me being banned.. Fast forward to Current time. CCP has changed there view on it and says its ok now...

Easiest reason James315 and and his crew bump miners out of belts. and gank them to "profit" all though they rarely do... Which btw I fully endorse this...

How this is relevant? CCP creators/ gm/ devs/ isd all have accounts they play eve with and when its suits their needs they change the rules. If you think this doesnt happen all the time you are not reading up on exploits and who uses them.
QSD
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-01-26 20:45:32 UTC
Unless CCP has changed something drastically, you couldn't be bumped during invulnerability timer.

Something tells me it's still the case, so I am guessing that you got killed while playing undock games and are now trying to rationalize the loss.
QSD
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-01-26 20:47:47 UTC
piecakes's brother wrote:
This is very simple...


A few years ago I bumped miners out a belt.. The miner petetioned it.. I was contacted by a GM and warned me further bumping will lead to me being banned.. Fast forward to Current time. CCP has changed there view on it and says its ok now...

Easiest reason James315 and and his crew bump miners out of belts. and gank them to "profit" all though they rarely do... Which btw I fully endorse this...

How this is relevant? CCP creators/ gm/ devs/ isd all have accounts they play eve with and when its suits their needs they change the rules. If you think this doesnt happen all the time you are not reading up on exploits and who uses them.


If you'll kill (or try to) something/someone, you can bump it. If you're bumping them just to annoy them, you can get petitioned and GM will send you a nasty notification.

Been like that for a very long time.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2013-01-26 20:50:34 UTC
Burden of proof is on whoever wants to say that it's an exploit, not on those who say it isn't.

So unless there's some indication that it should be an exploit, there's no reason whatsoever to say that it is.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#12 - 2013-01-26 20:55:23 UTC
Quote:
IDGI… Why would (or should) it be an exploit, again?


there's an invulnerability timer until your ship moves so that you can't get blown up before grid loads. Being bumped off station while you haven't loaded yet has the same effect.

As said before in the thread, however, you cannot be bumped while on the timer.
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#13 - 2013-01-26 20:56:37 UTC
Psychotic Monk wrote:
The tool you want to use to defend yourself in this situation is an insta-undock bookmark. If you google it I'm sure you'll find a guide to making one.

This.
Vincent R'lyeh
Screaming Hayabusa
#14 - 2013-01-26 21:00:29 UTC
OP is bumphurt?

I have deliberately developed an air of cynicism that I originally intended to make me appear somewhat louche and caddish but actually comes across as irritable hostility combined with the unspoken threat of sudden violence.....
Hazzard
Chaotic Dynamics
#15 - 2013-01-26 21:01:27 UTC
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:
Obviously, there is limited invulnerability when undocking, so then wouldn't that make bumping off of undock an exploit, and it so, why haven't CCP addressed it?

inb4 bad posts
inb4 people who like to bump
inb4 station games are worse


Lol this has been in the game since beta. I used to outfit geddons to bump, we called them bumpageddons.

It needs to stay. When people play the undock/dock games it's the only way to kill them. And it's so much fun.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#16 - 2013-01-26 21:01:56 UTC
Kahega Amielden wrote:
there's an invulnerability timer until your ship moves so that you can't get blown up before grid loads. Being bumped off station while you haven't loaded yet has the same effect.

As said before in the thread, however, you cannot be bumped while on the timer.
Exactly. That's why I had to ask. I got the distinct impression that he's asking about a method that doesn't actually exist because the mechanics don't work that way, and that he's heard or seen something that's essentially a misunderstanding of those mechanics.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#17 - 2013-01-26 21:09:40 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Kahega Amielden wrote:
there's an invulnerability timer until your ship moves so that you can't get blown up before grid loads. Being bumped off station while you haven't loaded yet has the same effect.

As said before in the thread, however, you cannot be bumped while on the timer.
Exactly. That's why I had to ask. I got the distinct impression that he's asking about a method that doesn't actually exist because the mechanics don't work that way, and that he's heard or seen something that's essentially a misunderstanding of those mechanics.

Clearly regardless of what is actually happening, you should always ask CCP to protect you.

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Dark Drifter
Sons of Seyllin
Pirate Lords of War
#18 - 2013-01-26 21:47:58 UTC
piecakes's brother wrote:
This is very simple...


A few years ago I bumped miners out a belt.. The miner petitioned it.. I was contacted by a GM and warned me further bumping will lead to me being banned.. Fast forward to Current time. CCP has changed there view on it and says its ok now...

Easiest reason James315 and and his crew bump miners out of belts. and gank them to "profit" all though they rarely do... Which btw I fully endorse this...

How this is relevant? CCP creators/ gm/ devs/ isd all have accounts they play eve with and when its suits their needs they change the rules. If you think this doesn't happen all the time you are not reading up on exploits and who uses them.


the GM warned you to stop because you was harassing other members of eve, they petitioned you for it.
you was not threatened with a ban because you bumped ships. you got threatened for individual harassment
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#19 - 2013-01-26 22:30:37 UTC
So what did you lose OP, and can I has the rest of your stuffs?

Ni.
Cherry Delight
Valkyre Black
#20 - 2013-01-26 22:36:25 UTC
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:
Obviously, there is limited invulnerability when undocking, so then wouldn't that make bumping off of undock an exploit, and it so, why haven't CCP addressed it?

inb4 bad posts
inb4 people who like to bump
inb4 station games are worse


INB4 ISD Type 40 also HTFU
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