Crime & Punishment

I get that there's plenty of irony and joking involved, and a good bit of the whole thing is just roleplay, or an excuse to gank, or whatever you want to call it, but the idea that they're helping miners is ridiculous.They talk a lot about "saving miners from themselves", but I don't see how this works... Of course, if miners were to stop AFKing so much, they might be more social and actually enjoy the game more, but that's kind of a weak argument, as it's hard for me to believe that people who deliberately choose an AFK activity in a video game want to be social, and destroying things that, in their eyes, they worked very hard for doesn't make them any more likely to join other players. Miners already have bad perceptions of pvpers as all being gankers and griefers and unpleasant people, and a lot of them assume anyone who isn't mining is looking to kill them. Reinforcing those preconceptions only exacerbates the problem.

The biggest problem I have is the argument that if people stopped afk mining minerals would be worth more, or if ccp nerfed mining ships then mining would be more profitable, or if XX happened, mining wouldn't be the worst activity in EVE. If people stop mining, then mining becomes more profitable, and therefore there's more incentive to mine more, which drives prices down, which then means isk/hour is lowered, which means more mining must be done for the same profit. Mining is a vicious cycle, but is about as stable as "careers" get in eve, which means it is the most reliable way to earn isk in the game. There's literally no way to lose isk while mining, other than losing your ship. The merits of opportunity cost calculations in this instance can be discussed, but let's be honest, anyone who is AFK mining doesn't give a **** about better things they could be doing, at least for the most part.

There are very few things that can be done to actually help miners in reality, and most of them would involve a major rethink of the entire economic basis of the game by CCP, since minerals are so pervasive in industry and economics. Essentially, they involve making it nearly impossible to afk mine by reducing the amount of time spent actually mining and increasing other aspects involved. One idea would be to vastly lower the amounts of minerals required to produce items, and reduce the amount of time spent mining, but require sites to be scanned down and difficult npcs killed, similar to wormhole grav sites, but taken to even more extremes.

tl;dr If you only read this tl;dr and think I'm a pubbie ****lord, you are clearly not a high caliber forum dweller and therefore should be charged 10 million isk to keep reading. The new order is a bunch of crap if read as a way of helping miners. If read any other way, it's hilarious and a great excuse to gank miners and get tears, and I'd consider voting James315 for CSM purely based on the hilarity of the minutes that would come out every time a summit was held.

Alright then, if it's just a business and a way for people to socialize around ganking and bumping, then cool, I've got no problem with that, but I've seen and heard the ideas presented seriously and I think they're ridiculous.

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I was (and occasionally still am) a miner myself. I would have probably unsubbed EVE if I hadn't joined the New Order. The only reason I used to play EVE was to watch the number in my wallet get higher and higher, and I did this with the minimum effort possible. Part of this is CCPs fault for allowing it. I didn't love mining or anything, but it was JUST fun enough to keep me from uninstalling EVE.

Hoarding wealth for the sake of it is a highsec carebear hallmark. It really inhibits my people from taking risks and doing more fun things. I feel people take the game too seriously. When someone gets ganked they say "why did you kill me?" and not "why did you kill my ship?" It's like the pixels in the video game have become so ingrained in the identity of the high sec carebear that they feel injured personally when the imaginary numbers on their imaginary ship drop to 0.

The miner is trapped in this the worst. They are shelled up in their super safe and boring gameplay, due to a psychological inability to differentiate their self from their in game assets and wealth. They must be reformed, for both their sake and ours, as in an immersive world like EVEs the content they produce is the content I consume and vice versa.

I am willing to assume the cost of saving high sec.

I reserve the right to reserve my right to comment on this matter.

Miners should be happy, they are for the first time experiencing emergent gameplay.

Welcome to EvE Online.

Of course we're helping miners - we open their eyes to the majesty that is Eve and put an end to their nightmare of being trapped in a game that is only a mining simulator. We save them from further going down the path to botterdom and we teach them about personal responsibility, a lesson that will serve them well in real life as well as in-game.



First of all, please stop calling it griefing. It's not, and it's been covered many, many times already, including by CCP. Secondly, ganking and being unpleasant are not merely permitted in this game, or even accepted, but actively celebrated. If miners don't want to play the same game as the rest of us they have two practical options: 1) try and play their fantasy version of Eve and add their ships to our killboards, or 2) go and play a game more suited to their pacifist nature.



We frequently see miners crying in local about how driving them out will mean no-one builds any more ships for us to pew-pew in. I do hope they're reading this.



You sound bumphurt. Are you bumphurt? Of course we help miners, you just need to look at how many souls we've already saved from enternal damnation in the fires of Jita. We make a difference because highsec is worth saving.



At least this shows a slim hope for your redemption. James 315 is the right guy to represent highsec to the CSM, without a doubt.

Miners need to be saved from themselves, this a noble undertaking

If every one was to join wouldn't you be lacking in afk miners to bump/gank?

You're an extortion racket

The Hulkageddons run from the Python Cartel? The same Python Cartel where our corp slogan was "Where incompetence meets arrogance?"