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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#481 - 2013-01-26 19:26:02 UTC
Don't worry about the little guy, it's not your problem. Or business. Pretend it would affect everyone.

Now, tell me more. How would you improve it?

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#482 - 2013-01-26 19:26:32 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
The idea to remove timers, yeah that's already been shot down as it would further hurt "the little guy" since all organizations would need to have a 23/7 presence in all TZs. Which means more people would be required to do anything, bad for little guy advantage for big guy. The other part is half-cry half-go-away-mean-man.

E: The whole idea means less diversity in nullsec in case that wasn't clear enough.

It's like you want to see Boat ascend to the position of an EVE Online god, destroying all the structures.

Shoot ALL the structures !!

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#483 - 2013-01-26 19:26:34 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:

That's ok, much like the structures you oh so hate grinding, I have a few more hp before crumble.


Oh wise pubbie sir please tell me this constructive idea of yours that I completely ignored as I am too busy listening to my forums pvp FC and have missed it.


Aww how cute. He called me pubbie! And yes, you did miss it. More grip less stroke sir. Needs to turn purple!


Yeah your idea now that I saw it has already been shot down by 10+ other people hence why no one is taking you serious.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#484 - 2013-01-26 19:28:39 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
Don't worry about the little guy, it's not your problem. Or business. Pretend it would affect everyone.

Now, tell me more. How would you improve it?


It would push all the small dudes out of sov nullsec and leave us with a handful of big coalitions further stagnating nullsec and creating more people like yourself that howl about blues. Hence bad idea, but if you'd have read the thread like you claim this argument has already been posed and defeated the same way I just did by a handful of other people.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#485 - 2013-01-26 19:29:14 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
The idea to remove timers, yeah that's already been shot down as it would further hurt "the little guy" since all organizations would need to have a 23/7 presence in all TZs. Which means more people would be required to do anything, bad for little guy advantage for big guy. The other part is half-cry half-go-away-mean-man.

E: The whole idea means less diversity in nullsec in case that wasn't clear enough.

It's like you want to see Boat ascend to the position of an EVE Online god, destroying all the structures.

Shoot ALL the structures !!


My god if DBRB knew that timers had been removed all structures in EVE would weep that day.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#486 - 2013-01-26 19:29:25 UTC
Falin Whalen wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
You are a part of a likeminded group that contributes to the problem and tries to slough off the responsbility to fix what mess you made.

Dude, CCP was the one that put the flaming bag of poo labled "DOMINION" on our doorstep.
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You either want it better or you don't. Stop trying to funnel things into "your way". It's obviously not going anywhere and only contributing to off topic conversations.

Yea, we want it better, but people who have terrible ideas on how to "fix" nullsec who haven't even been in nullsec much less understand what nullsec "should be," should be shot down.

Also you should take your own advice "Stop trying to funnel things into "your way". It's obviously not going anywhere and only contributing to off topic conversations."



Oh? So, to understand better.. you're saying only certain few poeple should be interested in the game. Interesting. Tell me, how does that encourage other people scared of null because they might not know enough about it want to get into null?

Or would you rather not want more people in null.

Hmmm what exactl was the problem again? Maybe you should revisit that aspect. Since "my way" isn't being funneled. I am not insisting it would be better. I am trying to converse, regrettably, in the face of trollish comments and how only some people know the truth, yet aren't able to successfully get those changes made.

Interesting concept if you think about it.

Let's pretend we want more people in null then fight to not have more people in null!

Fantastic mentality you have there sir.

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Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#487 - 2013-01-26 19:29:46 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Trying to shrug it off doesn't change it. I don't think you're an ******* because you're a goon. I think you're an ******* because you prefer to attack people personally instead of contributing to an idea. Whether it is good or bad doesn't matter.


If an idea is fundamentally bad, why contribute towards it?


Because sometimes many minds coming together can take bits and pieces from various ideas and formulate a grander idea that could maybe one day work, and for the better.

The 'many minds coming together' only works if there's something useful to pick out of the mess, not if it's fundamentally bad. Posting a load of crap and then saying 'constructive criticism only guys, polish my steaming turdheap into something amazing' isn't going to fly.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#488 - 2013-01-26 19:30:13 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Don't worry about the little guy, it's not your problem. Or business. Pretend it would affect everyone.

Now, tell me more. How would you improve it?


It would push all the small dudes out of sov nullsec and leave us with a handful of big coalitions further stagnating nullsec and creating more people like yourself that howl about blues. Hence bad idea, but if you'd have read the thread like you claim this argument has already been posed and defeated the same way I just did by a handful of other people.



So your ideas are bad. Got it. Why post here then?

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#489 - 2013-01-26 19:31:21 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
The idea to remove timers, yeah that's already been shot down as it would further hurt "the little guy" since all organizations would need to have a 23/7 presence in all TZs. Which means more people would be required to do anything, bad for little guy advantage for big guy. The other part is half-cry half-go-away-mean-man.

E: The whole idea means less diversity in nullsec in case that wasn't clear enough.

It's like you want to see Boat ascend to the position of an EVE Online god, destroying all the structures.

Shoot ALL the structures !!

My god if DBRB knew that timers had been removed all structures in EVE would weep that day.

His arousal wouldn't end until that last structure has been shot. Which could take a while, even with titans....

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#490 - 2013-01-26 19:35:11 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Don't worry about the little guy, it's not your problem. Or business. Pretend it would affect everyone.

Now, tell me more. How would you improve it?


It would push all the small dudes out of sov nullsec and leave us with a handful of big coalitions further stagnating nullsec and creating more people like yourself that howl about blues. Hence bad idea, but if you'd have read the thread like you claim this argument has already been posed and defeated the same way I just did by a handful of other people.



So your ideas are bad. Got it. Why post here then?


See this is why we can't have a nice conversation, you are furiously frothing at the mouth while trying to out whit the GEWNS. I should add that said goons have been ordained by the high holy order of good posting to prevent you from making meaningful discussion due to your filthy tinfoil wearing habits. All while trying to mask it as "benefiting the game." Now pubbie sir please H. Ratli Smirk's guide to posting before returning.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#491 - 2013-01-26 19:35:17 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Trying to shrug it off doesn't change it. I don't think you're an ******* because you're a goon. I think you're an ******* because you prefer to attack people personally instead of contributing to an idea. Whether it is good or bad doesn't matter.


If an idea is fundamentally bad, why contribute towards it?


Because sometimes many minds coming together can take bits and pieces from various ideas and formulate a grander idea that could maybe one day work, and for the better.

The 'many minds coming together' only works if there's something useful to pick out of the mess, not if it's fundamentally bad. Posting a load of crap and then saying 'constructive criticism only guys, polish my steaming turdheap into something amazing' isn't going to fly.



It only works if you encourage those other minds to join in. I am not saying I am one of those minds, but I am also not scared of forumlordds trying to determine the course of the game either.

Which is increasingly bad the more trolls contribute their asshattery to the subject by just talking **** and pretending they know better by stripping away all opposition.

Again, it's simple. You either want to be part of the problem, or part of the solution. Your contribution gets noted by everyone regardless how good or bad it is.

Think of it like this... I am obviously getting flounced here. That's fine. Like ingame, I don't go running away to a highsec npc corp because my ship got blown up. I try a new ship, maybe a new fit, and fly back out into battle.

It doesn't matter if I win or lose. It matters that I'm trying. Results ideal? Maybe not. But I am going to reship and get back out there.

So, how would you propose I do it? Should I listen and hide back in a npc corp so you can be right? Hell no. It's my eve too. So far we have people who want to say how all these things are bad, and their solution? Make them worse lol.


That, is the failed mentality here. Not the ideas themselves, but the people and how they handle them.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#492 - 2013-01-26 19:35:57 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
The idea to remove timers, yeah that's already been shot down as it would further hurt "the little guy" since all organizations would need to have a 23/7 presence in all TZs. Which means more people would be required to do anything, bad for little guy advantage for big guy. The other part is half-cry half-go-away-mean-man.

E: The whole idea means less diversity in nullsec in case that wasn't clear enough.

It's like you want to see Boat ascend to the position of an EVE Online god, destroying all the structures.

Shoot ALL the structures !!

My god if DBRB knew that timers had been removed all structures in EVE would weep that day.

His arousal wouldn't end until that last structure has been shot. Which could take a while, even with titans....


I could have swore there were warnings against things lasting longer than 4 hours.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#493 - 2013-01-26 19:39:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Murk Paradox
La Nariz wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Don't worry about the little guy, it's not your problem. Or business. Pretend it would affect everyone.

Now, tell me more. How would you improve it?


It would push all the small dudes out of sov nullsec and leave us with a handful of big coalitions further stagnating nullsec and creating more people like yourself that howl about blues. Hence bad idea, but if you'd have read the thread like you claim this argument has already been posed and defeated the same way I just did by a handful of other people.



So your ideas are bad. Got it. Why post here then?


See this is why we can't have a nice conversation, you are furiously frothing at the mouth while trying to out whit the GEWNS. I should add that said goons have been ordained by the high holy order of good posting to prevent you from making meaningful discussion due to your filthy tinfoil wearing habits. All while trying to mask it as "benefiting the game." Now pubbie sir please H. Ratli Smirk's guide to posting before returning.


Frothing at the mouth lol. IS that how you are when you say that? Sure as hell will take more than what you can do to get me to froth at the mouth, or even be upset lol.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#494 - 2013-01-26 19:40:59 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
The idea to remove timers, yeah that's already been shot down as it would further hurt "the little guy" since all organizations would need to have a 23/7 presence in all TZs. Which means more people would be required to do anything, bad for little guy advantage for big guy. The other part is half-cry half-go-away-mean-man.

E: The whole idea means less diversity in nullsec in case that wasn't clear enough.

It's like you want to see Boat ascend to the position of an EVE Online god, destroying all the structures.

Shoot ALL the structures !!

My god if DBRB knew that timers had been removed all structures in EVE would weep that day.

His arousal wouldn't end until that last structure has been shot. Which could take a while, even with titans....


I could have swore there were warnings against things lasting longer than 4 hours.

It's different if you're Boat, he never stops until ~satisfaction~

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#495 - 2013-01-26 19:42:43 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:

Oh? So, to understand better.. you're saying only certain few poeple should be interested in the game. Interesting. Tell me, how does that encourage other people scared of null because they might not know enough about it want to get into null?

Or would you rather not want more people in null.

Hmmm what exactl was the problem again? Maybe you should revisit that aspect. Since "my way" isn't being funneled. I am not insisting it would be better. I am trying to converse, regrettably, in the face of trollish comments and how only some people know the truth, yet aren't able to successfully get those changes made.

Interesting concept if you think about it.

Let's pretend we want more people in null then fight to not have more people in null!

Fantastic mentality you have there sir.


No, no see we have a willful failure of reading comprehension here on your part. He's saying nothing about people getting involved in the game. He's saying everything about shooting down bad ideas proposed by inexperienced people. It has nothing to do with trolling but its a form of PTSD acquired by dealing with the tinfoil-hat wearing crowd.

The problem, the entirety that this thread is about is that its time for CCP to give null some loving because things have gotten so bad we can't have a proper coalition on coalition war. There was nothing about suggestions to do so, just that CCP needs to.

The reason we are all talking about ideas is that some people came here to advance their own "anti-coalitions I hate" agenda. Being that these are terrible ideas that will hurt the game we are obligated to shoot them down.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#496 - 2013-01-26 19:45:59 UTC
I personally don't have a problem with coalitions. Not at all.

But atleast you can admit you are a part of the problem, you now can move forward. Since that wouldn't involve me, I'll leave you to find your own pillow to bite.

Funnily enough though, you have sych a hardon for tinfoil hats that people do not even need to be a conspiracy theorist for you to put one on. Even at the face of explicitly being told it isn't going on.

So, enjoy your assumptions, and good luck with your tame fights.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#497 - 2013-01-26 19:46:29 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:

It only works if you encourage those other minds to join in. I am not saying I am one of those minds, but I am also not scared of forumlordds trying to determine the course of the game either.

So, how would you propose I do it? Should I listen and hide back in a npc corp so you can be right? Hell no. It's my eve too. So far we have people who want to say how all these things are bad, and their solution? Make them worse lol.

That, is the failed mentality here. Not the ideas themselves, but the people and how they handle them.


We'd be happy to encourage minds to join in but first a mind has to be there. I would propose you have your meltdown and get it over with then start a thread about improving the sov system as this thread only seeks to show that there is a problem. You should be careful to insult the "Order of the Official Goonswarm Federation Knights of the Goodpost," or else the ~lobbies~ will come after you and steal your tinfoil.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#498 - 2013-01-26 19:49:07 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:

It only works if you encourage those other minds to join in. I am not saying I am one of those minds, but I am also not scared of forumlordds trying to determine the course of the game either.

So, how would you propose I do it? Should I listen and hide back in a npc corp so you can be right? Hell no. It's my eve too. So far we have people who want to say how all these things are bad, and their solution? Make them worse lol.

That, is the failed mentality here. Not the ideas themselves, but the people and how they handle them.


We'd be happy to encourage minds to join in but first a mind has to be there. I would propose you have your meltdown and get it over with then start a thread about improving the sov system as this thread only seeks to show that there is a problem. You should be careful to insult the "Order of the Official Goonswarm Federation Knights of the Goodpost," or else the ~lobbies~ will come after you and steal your tinfoil.

I thought you were a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team.

And I've seen some other group mentioned in another signature.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#499 - 2013-01-26 19:53:21 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
I personally don't have a problem with coalitions. Not at all.

But atleast you can admit you are a part of the problem, you now can move forward. Since that wouldn't involve me, I'll leave you to find your own pillow to bite.

Funnily enough though, you have sych a hardon for tinfoil hats that people do not even need to be a conspiracy theorist for you to put one on. Even at the face of explicitly being told it isn't going on.

So, enjoy your assumptions, and good luck with your tame fights.



Part of the problem? No, the problem is people like you go into a tinfoil-encrusted echochamber of badposting then get this amazing thought that whatever that tinfoil-hat wearing dude said is golden and can never be disputed or defeated because "lol no." Now the problem happens when you are confronted with a cogent argument, because heavens no you could never be wrong and everyone has to agree with you because you are always right.

Great example of this for yourself, moving moons to lowsec and thinking that it means more supercaps would die. Its all fine and dandy that you want to fix lowsec but, you can't do it at the expense of the other areas. This is a problem with highsec right now.

You can get angry about being lumped in with the tinfoil-hat wearing crowd or you can take off the hat.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#500 - 2013-01-26 19:54:46 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:

I thought you were a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team.

And I've seen some other group mentioned in another signature.


Shhh that group is a secret, no one is to know that I am a forums psyops member.

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