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[Market Research] complete supercapital packages

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Ark Destroyer
BLOMI
#1 - 2013-01-26 02:06:57 UTC
I am posting to do a little demand research on complete super capital packages.

These packages would include:

The Super capital bpc
All component bpc's required to build the components for that super capital
all needed minerals compressed into modules

Kind of a bpc pack + compression service all in on, so that essentially someone can come in a freighter run or such, grab everything needed, jump into to where they're building supercaps, refine, and push the buttons.

I have a compression partner in mind and have spoken to him already and has agreed to go into business with me should their be a demand for it. I would be providing the bpc packs, currently I am doing it for the Aeon at ME5, but am always looking to expand.

Any idea's on current need/demand for this service? If so, what would you be willing to pay, and how often would you use such a service? (I'd like to keep busy steadily)

Thank you all for your time and consideration,
Ark.

Neutral Talent CEO Specializing in "complete" super-capital packages

Complete supercapital packages

Ark Destroyer
BLOMI
#2 - 2013-01-26 02:07:07 UTC
Reserved.

Neutral Talent CEO Specializing in "complete" super-capital packages

Complete supercapital packages

Ark Destroyer
BLOMI
#3 - 2013-01-26 19:08:13 UTC
Any input/idea's will be greatly appreciated, I know there's demand for both individually, just wondering how a "one stop shop" would work in the market.

Thanks,
Ark

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Complete supercapital packages

Claire Coffee
Coffee Inc
#4 - 2013-01-26 21:21:32 UTC
- Usually, a decent cap builder has reprocessing skilled up.
- Usually, a decent cap builder has trade alts to buy in those modules that give the best reprocessing value based on items he / she is building.
- Usually, a decent cap builder will even have a friendly copy-shop in his contacts or has his / her personal BPOs.
- Usually, a decent cap builder, especially when it comes to Super / Titan has a good supply chain via Corp / Alliance contacts.

Now, I'm not saying that your idea is bad. It's actually a good one and is somewhat based on one of those "How to make trillions a year" tutorials as far as I can see :-)

The problem here is that you're offering industrialist to cut his / her profit by using your service. It's actually THEIR job to do everything you're offering.

And I can see that your customer niche will consist mostly of industrialists who build Supers for themselves rather than for profit. And THAT is actually a rare thing.

My two cents. I'm not saying you can't make it an outstanding service. Give it a go :)

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Lady Godwynn
Lady Godwynn Corporation
#5 - 2013-01-26 22:01:40 UTC
Hey

sinqlaison has made trillions selling capital and supercapital packages, and he goes over
the operation in a series of eve-uni lectures like this one:

eve-uni wiki


Akito Tzestu
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-01-26 22:24:33 UTC
Claire Coffee wrote:
The problem here is that you're offering industrialist to cut his / her profit by using your service. It's actually THEIR job to do everything you're offering.


I agree with Claire to a certain extent. As I see it, your target market has 2 demographics:

1) The existing builder: For someone who is already doing all of this themselves, it's going to be a hard sell. You'd be working with a negligible profit margin, because you'd basically have to convince them that time is money. You're selling a time saver to these guys, and nothing more. How much is it worth to them? Probably not a lot. You may hook a few customers here, but not many. It won't be the core of your business model.

2) The aspiring builder: For a player looking to get into production, they're facing down a long training queue. For some, it may not be worth it. Others may already have customers lined up and waiting on ships that they can't deliver. Again, I don't feel that your profit margin will be large, but more sustainable with this demographic.

Essentially, you're making yourself the middleman. Anyone can do what you're offering, and do it cheaper themselves. You need to figure out a way to position yourself so that this is viewed as a valued service. Keep that in mind, because it's a game changer. You're not offering a product here, but a service.
flakeys
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-01-26 22:38:55 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
Lady Godwynn wrote:
Hey

sinqlaison has made trillions selling capital and supercapital packages, and he goes over
the operation in a series of eve-uni lectures like this one:

eve-uni wiki





Ah he be dutch too .... it just 'shows'' a bit more in his pronouncuation then when i speak english :)


Btw wasn't he the guy who say a year or 4+ back basically controlled amarr ?

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

Ark Destroyer
BLOMI
#8 - 2013-01-26 23:16:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Ark Destroyer
Yes thank you very much for your comments and time.

Essentially what would be offered all in all is:

1.) Supercap bpc's - this saves an aspiring industrialist the costs of getting their own bpo, and the time to research it, OR them simply purchasing a bpc copy.

- I can save them huge capital/time investment, or a discount on a bpc as opposed to an open market.

2.) Component bpc's - this also saves aspiring industrialists huge costs of buying all of these bpo's themselves and spending the time to research each, and than copy the needed amount, OR picking out each and every bpc copy themselves.

- I can again save them huge capital investments, research time, or a discount on bpc's as a package compared to buying them one by one.

3.) Mineral compression service. I have spoke to Infinite Force and he is willing to go into a partnership with me should there be a decent amount of demand.

- This of course saves allot of time on compressing billions and billions of minerals into sizes small enough to move in a few jump freighters, invaluable to any ship builder, old or new.

4.) Putting it all together, a one stop shop.

- My plan is to have everything in one nice bundle. I.E. everything is delivered to a high sec station of your choice on the out skirts of low/null sec where you can pick it up in your jump freighter, and take it to your production area.

- This can in turn greatly increase the production of people already producing supercapitals by allowing them to expand and build instantly. I.e. they're running 2 pos's building super's, because that's as fast as they can research/compress etc. Now they can toss up a 3rd pos, and very quickly transport everything they need to their production system, and expand.


Any thoughts on my business plan?

As mentioned earlier, it would appeal to current industrialists in order to expand and pick up production, and it would appeal to the person wanting to start up production, that only has say 20bil budget and a pos in place to start producing. Now someone with only 20bil can pump out an Aeon and sell it for 25bil (aprox) poof 5 bil profit.

Hell I got 20bil cash lying around, maybe I should find somewhere to rent and do it all lol.

Neutral Talent CEO Specializing in "complete" super-capital packages

Complete supercapital packages

Lady Godwynn
Lady Godwynn Corporation
#9 - 2013-01-26 23:35:24 UTC
Do it.

There is a market for everything that reduces the time that people have to spend to ge all that stuff together.
(those who aren't building these things regularly and have everything set up themselves).

A lot of groups have access to space in which to build capitals and want them but their industrial side
hasn't caught up.

The other thing that people in nullsec have also had a need for is a crapton of tritanium along with those blueprints,
usually in the form of modules such as the 425mm Railgun I's. This will still hold true until they announce
changes to industry in nullsec. Keep your ear to the ground for news of anything that could impact your bussiness.


LG
Infinite Force
#10 - 2013-01-27 06:40:29 UTC
Ark Destroyer wrote:
Yes thank you very much for your comments and time.
...
3.) Mineral compression service. I have spoke to Infinite Light and he is willing to go into a partnership with me should there be a decent amount of demand.

- This of course saves allot of time on compressing billions and billions of minerals into sizes small enough to move in a few jump freighters, invaluable to any ship builder, old or new.
...


/facepalm .. It's Infinite Force, CEO of Hammer of Light ... lol

Ark and I have discussed this in some depth. I have invested a lot of time and ISK to make my compression business work as well as it does - and it does work very well.

To the guy that mentioned making "trillions a year" - this will not do that. This venture is a long-term deal. Extremely high capital is required (up front or over time).

The selling point on this, in addition to saving time, is all about convenience. Modern day supply chains are the same way - from producer to market. In most cases, there are several 'middle-men' that touch an item before it ever ends up in the hands of a consumer. Simple economics 101.

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Ark Destroyer
BLOMI
#11 - 2013-01-27 06:57:28 UTC
More input and idea's welcomed, especially from potential customers! Still in the research stage but I'd like to launch it for real in the next week or so.

Thanks,
ark

Neutral Talent CEO Specializing in "complete" super-capital packages

Complete supercapital packages

Molic Blackbird
Orion Faction Industries
Orion Consortium
#12 - 2013-01-27 07:57:19 UTC
flakeys wrote:


Btw wasn't he the guy who say a year or 4+ back basically controlled amarr ?


Not that I am aware of. AnakieNine was who controlled the Domain region. I haven't seen him online in a long time.
flakeys
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-01-27 09:04:51 UTC
Molic Blackbird wrote:
flakeys wrote:


Btw wasn't he the guy who say a year or 4+ back basically controlled amarr ?


Not that I am aware of. AnakieNine was who controlled the Domain region. I haven't seen him online in a long time.



AAh yeah thats the one.Now there was a guy who could ''shut down'' a profitable business in a blink.

So he doesn't play any more?Mmmm amarr here i come ... Blink

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

XrayZII
4S Corporation
The Initiative.
#14 - 2013-01-27 09:52:18 UTC
Welcome to my world!

Will be following ur development with my hawk-eye.
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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
#15 - 2013-01-27 10:33:27 UTC
XrayZII wrote:
Welcome to my world!

Will be following ur development with my hawk-eye.


probably have to pull your head out of you ass first, nice sig btw, manager sounds important.

@OP: its a good idea. u have the BPC's just send the nerd(bpc buyer) a mail asking if he wants to buy railguns at jita +20%. i doubt there would be anyone dumb enough. but good luck.

@JerryTPepridge

Ark Destroyer
BLOMI
#16 - 2013-01-27 11:21:59 UTC
XrayZII wrote:
Welcome to my world!

Will be following ur development with my hawk-eye.


Um..... just so you know that's probably like the 4th richest person in eve and was making supercaps before most of the people in eve even heard aboot the game...

<3 Xrayz

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Complete supercapital packages

Ark Destroyer
BLOMI
#17 - 2013-02-28 20:19:01 UTC
Project launched:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=200649

Neutral Talent CEO Specializing in "complete" super-capital packages

Complete supercapital packages