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How bad is the "Blue Donut"?
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Dave stark
#61 - 2013-01-26 18:05:13 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
CausticS0da wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
CausticS0da wrote:
stuff

i wondered how long it'd take before another unsubstantiated RMT post would pop up.


Ya, RMT is a complete myth.


i didn't say it didn't exist. i just pointed out you posted about it without providing any proof.

why do people think i'm denying it's existence every time i point out people are throwing stones.

every "omg nullsec rmt" post is like me randomly calling a random forum member a murder. obviously i'd have no proof and you'd point that out... but guyz, murder happens so the random forum member has to be a murderer! see how absurd and pointless it is?


Well statistically if you get enough people together, some of them will participate in shady behavior.

So in that repsect, if there 20,000 null sec players, obviously some of them are statistically likley to be RMT'ing.

Whether or not they are supported by their leadership is another thing.


i bet more of them are murderers.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#62 - 2013-01-26 18:06:34 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Also, there's a whole bunch of red on the right side of the map. So I don't get what you're talking about with this blue ring.

http://i.imgur.com/wLt5Hp7.png

Maybe it's a blue and red donut, did you ever think about that ?!?!

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Pawnee
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#63 - 2013-01-26 18:06:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Pawnee
The pretended fight online coalition. Dont touch their CSAA or Tech moons or they will be maaaaaad! I guess, this sounds right, if you are in the blue donut coalition. In the last years CCP recruited Devs from Goons and Test. I guess, CCP made their choice. They prefer these two big communities, because they bring them more costumers than other communities. So you are either blue to these cooperating two communties or you accept that these communities dominate EVE and you are not part of it. Thats, what this is about.
Whitehound
#64 - 2013-01-26 18:11:01 UTC
CausticS0da wrote:
The fact is that war should be fun. This IS a GAME for those that aren't benefitting from RMT and those not benefitting from RMT should play it like a game and go shoot some spaceships. Grunts who gain nothing from their alliances other than a ticker and safe space (while paying taxes and shooting what their FC tells them to) should ask themselves why they are playing.

Only pressure from below will force the fat cats to risk their cash cows (ISK & $).

Those grunts that want to toe the party line and make their own lives more boring are entitled to do that. Don't, however, hate on those not directly involved who want to see a real war happen.

Don't hate on people who want to see PVP - I heard that that's what Eve's about.

While that is all good and true, should it be made impossible by CCP to have such a constellation or rather allow it to happen, because it is rather rare and because it might increase the population in low- and null-sec?

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2013-01-26 18:11:17 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Also, there's a whole bunch of red on the right side of the map. So I don't get what you're talking about with this blue ring.

http://i.imgur.com/wLt5Hp7.png

Maybe it's a blue and red donut, did you ever think about that ?!?!


That sounds like a delicious marble doughnut.

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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#66 - 2013-01-26 18:33:33 UTC
CausticS0da wrote:
The fact is that war should be fun. This IS a GAME for those that aren't benefitting from RMT and those not benefitting from RMT should play it like a game and go shoot some spaceships. Grunts who gain nothing from their alliances other than a ticker and safe space (while paying taxes and shooting what their FC tells them to) should ask themselves why they are playing.

Only pressure from below will force the fat cats to risk their cash cows (ISK & $).


It's not just about isk or RMT, although i'm sure that's a factor.

I think the leaders of some of these groups have more fun playing 'important space diplomat' than they do having wars.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2013-01-26 18:48:13 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
I think the leaders of some of these groups have more fun playing 'important space diplomat' than they do having wars.

Those guys are having fun averting intergalactic butthurt, and we're having fun blowing the everloving [stuffing] out of each other. Win, win in my view.

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 
CausticS0da
Shrubbery Acquisitions
Blohm and Voss Shipyards Alliance
#68 - 2013-01-26 18:52:47 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
CausticS0da wrote:
The fact is that war should be fun. This IS a GAME for those that aren't benefitting from RMT and those not benefitting from RMT should play it like a game and go shoot some spaceships. Grunts who gain nothing from their alliances other than a ticker and safe space (while paying taxes and shooting what their FC tells them to) should ask themselves why they are playing.

Only pressure from below will force the fat cats to risk their cash cows (ISK & $).


It's not just about isk or RMT, although i'm sure that's a factor.

I think the leaders of some of these groups have more fun playing 'important space diplomat' than they do having wars.


Yeah, I agree. They've been much too successful at this though. We know who they are and I can't deny that they're all exceptionally talented and charismatic individuals.

Dictators like this seem to be a natural part of human systems of rule IRL and consequently in game too. It just irks me when the rank-and-file seem too eager to defend these (boring) systems. There should be a balance between masters and minions and the relationship is just too one-sided right now.

I'm playing very casually now but I'd rejoin either of the blocks and sideline RL to play more if things kicked off. I think lots of people would.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2013-01-26 18:56:17 UTC
CausticS0da wrote:

I'm playing very casually now but I'd rejoin either of the blocks and sideline RL to play more if things kicked off. I think lots of people would.


Fix sov and nullsec, then that might just happen.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#70 - 2013-01-26 19:00:44 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
CausticS0da wrote:
I'm playing very casually now but I'd rejoin either of the blocks and sideline RL to play more if things kicked off. I think lots of people would.

Fix sov and nullsec, then that might just happen.

We're seeing some genuine small gang forums pvp here.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2013-01-26 19:08:19 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:

We're seeing some genuine small gang forums pvp here.


Primary the pubbie!

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#72 - 2013-01-26 19:10:39 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
We're seeing some genuine small gang forums pvp here.
Primary the pubbie!

Which one.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#73 - 2013-01-26 19:14:00 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Really now. Nullsec should be bloody red mince meat and not a blue donut. Get it together, or rather, apart!


I don't know why you guys think this. Nullsec is meant to be feudal empires. Lowsec is meant to be your mincing ground.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#74 - 2013-01-26 19:14:14 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
We're seeing some genuine small gang forums pvp here.
Primary the pubbie!

Which one.


All of them.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#75 - 2013-01-26 19:14:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Bane Necran
Falin Whalen wrote:
Those guys are having fun averting intergalactic butthurt, and we're having fun blowing the everloving [stuffing] out of each other. Win, win in my view.


'Resetting' each other like this for some exhibition matches isn't remotely the same as fighting a serious war. There is nothing at stake. You may as well be having hisec duels.

And the only people who were risking butthurt were either the HBC or CFC, and the vast majority of the playerbase didn't even care who won as long as one of you got butthurt. P

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#76 - 2013-01-26 19:15:55 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
We're seeing some genuine small gang forums pvp here.
Primary the pubbie!

Which one.

All of them.

That's not how primary works.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#77 - 2013-01-26 19:18:34 UTC
how do I get the star map settings to show the huge blue donut from my perspective?
i wanna boast to these guys my wall of blues
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#78 - 2013-01-26 19:21:18 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
We're seeing some genuine small gang forums pvp here.
Primary the pubbie!

Which one.

All of them.

That's not how primary works.


"**** it, just kill everything on grid"
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#79 - 2013-01-26 19:23:10 UTC
burn them all

this thread is ours
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#80 - 2013-01-26 19:24:09 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
how do I get the star map settings to show the huge blue donut from my perspective?
i wanna boast to these guys my wall of blues


Your screen colors are probably fading. Take a strong magnet and move it in a circular motion over 0.0. It will refresh the colors.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi