Assembly Hall

*queues up caldari battleship V*

*orbits a POS in rokh*

*goes to work, comes home to extra bonus skillpoints*

You haven't answered the most important question of all - why does training need to speed up in the first place?

This is the response I was expecting, to be honest. People that think this way are caught up in the model that other MMOs have where "catching up" to vets is an issue. Eve doesn't have that problem precisely because of how the skill system is set up.

There is no catching up to be had. Once you reach level 5 in a skill, you're just as good at that skill as any other "maxed" character in the game. Your system would, in fact, benefit older players more than newer ones simply because an older player would have more skills that are applicable to any given situation, which would translate to more bonus SP from any given activity than a newer player with fewer applicable skills.

The simple fact is that there is no ship in eve that takes you three years of training to be able to fly. You can (in theory) obtain the bare minimum skills to fly a titan in about nine or ten months if you max out your training and remap at the right times. You won't be able to fly it well, but you will be able to fly it. And any player that is discouraged by the amount of time training takes in Eve, is probably getting some bad (though well intentioned) advice.

Eve doesn't need an active skilling system - for one thing, because some skills don't have activities associated with them, and for another, because it wouldn't close the gap between new players and old ones, it would widen it.

Oh, sorry.


*sits in amarr BS, puts alt in something tanky, shoots alt for entire work day instead*


Better?

But no timeout measure can actually measure player activity? I mean, let's say I'm bashing an abandoned highsec pos with my oracle. Takes a while, so I just leave it alone to do it's thing. That's still me actively trying to achieve something. Or say I'm burning deep safes in a claw. Still doing something, even if I'm AFK. Or hauling, or mucking about with a sentry ishtar in hubs?


ANY system which gives rewards like this can and will be abused to hell and back. It will basically become mandatory to do so.

Also, ANY system which gives SP as a mission reward is grossly unfair to those of us who don't live in highsec. Where is my easy SP for literally no risk whatsoever? All you do there is encourage botting.

In fact, all this proposal does in general is encourage botting and AFK play.

(the last threads on this subject)

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=195180
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2330084

tl;dr...

Active skills...

- encourage grinding (you are currently not forced to grind up anything in EVE except for standings... even ISK can be gained quite easily if you know what to do)
- active training rewards certain "tangible" player activities while completely ignoring "intangible" gameplay (rewards ratters, miners, industrials, probes, etc... doesn't reward corp leaders, spies, logistics, managers, scouts, etc).
- can be horribly, horribly abused (the server will not be able to differentiate two alts shooting at each other in the middle of space, afk, with infinite tanks and lasers... versus two evenly matched ships with infinite tanks and lasers that are mortal enemies of each other).
- if you make the amount of SP gained too small... it won't be worthwhile to even code in.
- if you make the amount of SP gained high enough... it will become a tangible enough advantage that it becomes "mandatory" to grind up skills... otherwise you'll be "left behind."
-- this means people will be more preoccupied with getting "max skills" than playing the actual game.
--- you will have to grind for years to get max skills in everything (it takes 20+ years to get max skills in everything with the current system).... and people will TRY.

So change the timeout to 20 minutes instead. Does finetuning the balancing matter to the essence of the proposal?

No, just no. This would be abused so badly.

Nope. Outside of NPC standings, you don't have to grind for anything in the game. And you don't even need NPC standings unless you have something special in mind (POSs, Faction Warfare, better reprocessing rates, lower sales taxes, etc.)... which are really just "perks" when you think about it.

You can submit your services to other players in exchange for ISK... probing, PvP, Logi ship, logistics, etc.

As far as being encouraged to "show up and do stuff"... the game already does that. You gain ISK, resources, allies, and learn more intricacies of the game. If those aren't enough to encourage you to play... this may not be the game for you.


When I mentioned "logistics" I meant "someone who hauls, organizes, supplies, and generally makes organizations work."
People who perform "logistics" don't really utilize any in-game skills (what skills they do use are a potpourri of various unrelated things that have little relevance to each other).

There are no direct "scouting" skills. "Probers" are just that... probers. Scouts use D-scan. There is no in-game skill for D-scan.

The same applies for "spies." There are no in-game skills that makes a better spy.

Diplomats don't have any in-game skills to make them better. Why should they "fall behind" one of their ratting grunts?

The list goes on.


Again... you are already rewarded for doing stuff.
What an active SP system does in introduce a new mechanic that encourages people to perform (see: dedicate) certain activities over others for certain periods of time or be "left behind"... which is a concept that currently does not exist in EVE.
And yes... people WILL be concerned about "left behind"... because humans are compulsive about things that give them tangible advantages. People are very predictable in this regard.


Nope.
Max skills give you an "advantage" but are not absolutely necessary. A person who has all the skills within a specialty at level 4 can fly at about 80 to 90% of the effectiveness of someone who has all skills within said specialty at level 5.

Beyond that... being "throttled" and waiting for you skills to go up effectively "forces" you learn and work with equipment that is cheaper (good for newbies who often have the idea that bigger and more expensive is better)... choose specialties that can give you clear short term advantages... and/or find ways around your "lacking ability" such as talking with other players who are proficient in that specialty (and in turn you offer your specialty to).


Do you remember the "Learning Skills"? Do you remember how they were technically optional but in reality they were not because they gave tangible advantages (which you wouldn't see for a year... but you'd be stupid for not training them now).

No, you don't deserve a reward for logging in, earn it or don't get it at all