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[JORIS] Jotunn Risi

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Ugleb
Jotunn Risi
#1 - 2013-01-25 23:24:06 UTC
I would like to announce to the Summit my intention to found a new movement within Minmatar politics and the Empyrean War. The Jotunn Risi.

This is a new direction for myself personally, one inspired by what I see as a need among the Minmatar people in general, but on a personal level among the Brutor in particular. We have long struggled with a sense of self as a people ever since the Amarr first attempted to eradicate our heritage and more recently as we struggled to define ourselves in a post-liberation world.

It is my belief that in order to find ourselves and our place in the modern world we must look to our own heritage and traditions, not those of other nations. It was the Elders who finally revealed to us all the folly and corruption of attempting to govern the Minmatar people based on foreign concepts, immersed in foreign ideals. It was the Elder's great purge that swept aside so many traitors and so much corruption and it was the Elders that restored both the Starkmanir and Nefantar to us as free tribes.

But we cannot rely upon the Elders alone, nor do I believe that they ever meant for us to do so. The Elder War is long past, though we live with its legacy and must strive to build upon it. The Jotunn Risi shall endeavor to recruit exclusively from Brutor blood in order to best further the needs of the Brutor Tribe, as it is my belief that a stronger tribe shall in turn make for a stronger Minmatar.

At this time the tide of battle turns against us within the warzone and a new brred of immortals is emerging throughout New Eden. I anticipate this to be a challenging undertaking and now begin seeking out my fellow Brutor to defend the integrity of our Tribe and to build towards the Elder's promise of a 'Restoration of Minmatar'.

Some of you may know my past, others will not. Regardless, in the coming months I will doubtless need to prove myself to gain the credibility I will doubtless be perceived to claim. May our deeds honour our tribe.

http://uglebsjournal.wordpress.com/

The Jotunn Risi are now recruiting, Brutor ancestry required in order to best represent the Brutor interest.  Join channel JORIS to learn more!

kraiklyn Asatru
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-01-25 23:53:03 UTC
I hail this new development and wish Ugleb and Jotunn Risi the best.

Sepherim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-01-26 01:46:04 UTC
I must admit that, after six long paragraphs, I still ignore where you stand on anything beyond "a Brutor being Brutor and doing Brutor things". That is quite an empty claim. You mention the Elder Fleet (I doubt those Elders ever existed, but that is another issue altogether) and the war, but don't state if your corporation will participate or not in the Bleak Lands war. You mention a need among the Minmatarr people, but don't say what that need is. Etc.

You should make those things, and more, clear if you want your post to be anything more than "a Brutor saying his Brutor corp exists and people should join it for no apparent reason".

Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#4 - 2013-01-26 01:55:08 UTC
It occurs to me that anyone this would apply to, would read all they have to know from between the lines, knowing everything else by heart. To me it's so much gibberish with vague cultural identity pains I can wholeheartedly sympathize with, so clearly this isn't aimed at me. Or you, Seph.

This does not lessen the validity of it all.

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Sepherim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-01-26 02:34:47 UTC
Jinari Otsito wrote:
It occurs to me that anyone this would apply to, would read all they have to know from between the lines, knowing everything else by heart. To me it's so much gibberish with vague cultural identity pains I can wholeheartedly sympathize with, so clearly this isn't aimed at me. Or you, Seph.

This does not lessen the validity of it all.


To a degree, you are right. If the message is tailored correctly, the recipient will understand it and agree with it, knowing they're being called. If it is done right.

But it still is a lack of... etiquette... to go to a public forum and post something only a few will understand. It contradicts the goal of a public communication board, where we should all be able to understand eachother to some extent.

Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander

Kentt Em'asep
Clone Red Creations
#6 - 2013-01-26 09:18:10 UTC
I am not Brutor, but I understand you well in your goal of strengthening the Brutor tribe and helping it become better and more stabile then what it currently is. If not the whole Republic, having one strong tribe can help assist the other tribes when that time comes. Thus the whole Republic will become stronger in their assistance of the tribes. Like many have stated before, there is no details of what you are planning... but hey... this is a public forum. The last thing you need is your enemies seeing your true goals. Good luck in your Jotunn Risi. Even though you are limiting it to those of Brutor heritage, I am sure others of other tribes will come for aid if you ever call.

Safe travels

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Ugleb
Jotunn Risi
#7 - 2013-01-26 12:00:30 UTC
Sepherim wrote:
I must admit that, after six long paragraphs, I still ignore where you stand on anything beyond "a Brutor being Brutor and doing Brutor things". That is quite an empty claim. You mention the Elder Fleet (I doubt those Elders ever existed, but that is another issue altogether) and the war, but don't state if your corporation will participate or not in the Bleak Lands war. You mention a need among the Minmatarr people, but don't say what that need is. Etc.

You should make those things, and more, clear if you want your post to be anything more than "a Brutor saying his Brutor corp exists and people should join it for no apparent reason".


How Amarrian of you, given the amount of time your own organisation has spent trying to subjugate us I would have thought you would be a little better versed in our culture. Perhaps I give the Amarrian education system too much credit.

I referred to 'the warzone', the current pressure being placed on Minmatar forces and the Elder War, yes I was implying my intent to join the Empyrean War, what you refer to colloquially as the Bleak Lands war. It is a conflict with scope far beyond that. The paperwork was filed with CONCORD immediately following this announcement, I should be back in the fight imminently.

As you are unclear of the purpose behind the movement - my focus, and those any who join this movement, is to represent and further Brutor interests with the express intent of expanding the tribe's influence and strength. You may think that a vague mandate and indeed it is as the needs of my people are diverse and subject to change.

The future strength of the Minmatar people lies in embracing our heritage and being true to the teachings of our ancestors, not through emulating other cultures. Following the Yulai Accords, the Minmatar Republic was established on modified Gallentean principles. We have all seen how that turned out.

Sanmatar Shakor has begun the process of change with his 'Tribal Republic', but I have my doubts that these reforms go far enough.

If this still makes no sense to you, then perhaps you really do not understand the Minmatar.

http://uglebsjournal.wordpress.com/

The Jotunn Risi are now recruiting, Brutor ancestry required in order to best represent the Brutor interest.  Join channel JORIS to learn more!

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#8 - 2013-01-26 12:45:10 UTC
I wonder how one can make a tribe "stronger" by sending its members to slaughter.
Sepherim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2013-01-26 15:53:13 UTC
Kentt Em'asep wrote:
Like many have stated before, there is no details of what you are planning... but hey... this is a public forum. The last thing you need is your enemies seeing your true goals.


We don't need to know his true goals to shoot him down. And, on the other side, sharing those goals can bring some understanding that may allow us all to find other solutions. Which, in this case, can't be achieved though, due to captain Ugleb's words.

Ugleb wrote:
How Amarrian of you, given the amount of time your own organisation has spent trying to subjugate us I would have thought you would be a little better versed in our culture. Perhaps I give the Amarrian education system too much credit.


And this proves how little you know of the Amarr. Why would we bother trying to learn your culture, when we're making enormous efforts to introduce you into ours?

That said, judging my comment on the simple matter that it was written by an Amarrian proves little will to understand the universe around you. Captain Otsito didn't understand it either, according to her words, and she's not amarrian. So don't excuse your failure to explain yourself on my race or the history your race and mine share.

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I referred to 'the warzone', the current pressure being placed on Minmatar forces and the Elder War, yes I was implying my intent to join the Empyrean War, what you refer to colloquially as the Bleak Lands war. It is a conflict with scope far beyond that. The paperwork was filed with CONCORD immediately following this announcement, I should be back in the fight imminently.


The Bleak Lands is a warrying region since long before your fleet invaded our space. We fought the Blood Raiders there, and The Defiants after. Your invasion is just the next in a long line of wars, thus I'm sorry but the "Elder War", or "the Empyrean War" is just another nice name for headlines for the Scope. To me, it's just another Bleak Lands war.

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As you are unclear of the purpose behind the movement - my focus, and those any who join this movement, is to represent and further Brutor interests with the express intent of expanding the tribe's influence and strength. You may think that a vague mandate and indeed it is as the needs of my people are diverse and subject to change.


That still means nothing. But at least it accepts it means nothing, and doesn't pretend else. But before entering wars and making big declarations, you should probably focus on deciding which of those needs are your goal. I'm afraid that such a broad description of intent is too vague and impossible to reach for any specific corporation.

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The future strength of the Minmatar people lies in embracing our heritage and being true to the teachings of our ancestors, not through emulating other cultures. Following the Yulai Accords, the Minmatar Republic was established on modified Gallentean principles. We have all seen how that turned out.
Sanmatar Shakor has begun the process of change with his 'Tribal Republic', but I have my doubts that these reforms go far enough.
If this still makes no sense to you, then perhaps you really do not understand the Minmatar.


Oh, I understand with this, but you could have summed it up in "Generic ideas on the importance and might of the Republic". Nothing new, nothing specific, nothing that makes your organization stand out among those other that already exist and have a longer tradition, etc.

Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander

Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
#10 - 2013-01-26 16:01:33 UTC
Your statement of a stronger tribe leading to a stronger Minmatar people is more or less correct. But it must not be the Brutor tribe exclusively who is strengthened.

And what is strength, anyway? Is strength the ability to fight and kill your enemies in a warzone and free others? Is strength the ability to build everlasting infrastructure and governance? Is strength derived from the righteousness of the ideals you hold? Or perhaps loyalty to your people?

If ideology is strength, then what is the suffering caused by the results of ideology? Justice? No. It is misfortune and shame. The Brutor tribe has traditionally been the most war-like of the tribes due to the suffering that was inflicted on its people. But we still have need of the Elders and their wisdom. It has been said that seeds cannot grow in a soil of ash. And so I add to that this: true strength and justice cannot flourish in a storm of vengeance. Please keep these words in mind. May your deeds indeed honor your tribe, and all people deserving of justice.

I am also a human, straggling between the present world... and our future. I am a regulator, a coordinator, one who is meant to guide the way.

Destination Unreachable: the worst Wspace blog ever

Ugleb
Jotunn Risi
#11 - 2013-01-26 17:50:40 UTC
Streya Jormagdnir wrote:
Your statement of a stronger tribe leading to a stronger Minmatar people is more or less correct. But it must not be the Brutor tribe exclusively who is strengthened.

And what is strength, anyway? Is strength the ability to fight and kill your enemies in a warzone and free others? Is strength the ability to build everlasting infrastructure and governance? Is strength derived from the righteousness of the ideals you hold? Or perhaps loyalty to your people?

If ideology is strength, then what is the suffering caused by the results of ideology? Justice? No. It is misfortune and shame. The Brutor tribe has traditionally been the most war-like of the tribes due to the suffering that was inflicted on its people. But we still have need of the Elders and their wisdom. It has been said that seeds cannot grow in a soil of ash. And so I add to that this: true strength and justice cannot flourish in a storm of vengeance. Please keep these words in mind. May your deeds indeed honor your tribe, and all people deserving of justice.


Well said, although as a Brutor I believe that my first duty is to the Brutor. I do not think for a second that I can cure all the woes of all Minmatar single handed and I do not intend to try. Instead I focus on those closest to me, and work one step at a time. I would strongly encourage others to work towards the betterment of their own tribes instead of trying to be all things to all men.

As for the war, I have been involved in it in one form or another for a long, long time. Sepherim mentioned the Bleak Lands war and The Defiants, well I was present at Sosan in the battle that destroyed an Imperial battlestation. I am well aquainted with the history of the conflict. The Jotunn Risi shall be committed to the defence of Minmatar space and in time to the continued liberation of our kin remaining in chains. Anything less is to fail before we have begun. However this conflict might end one day, for now it is a war that must be fought.

http://uglebsjournal.wordpress.com/

The Jotunn Risi are now recruiting, Brutor ancestry required in order to best represent the Brutor interest.  Join channel JORIS to learn more!

Kazzzi
Heathen Legion
Iron Men of the Hood
#12 - 2013-01-27 00:49:13 UTC
Ugleb wrote:
Perhaps I give the Amarrian education system too much credit.

You know, I was once a college professor on Amarr prime.

Sepherim wrote:
But it still is a lack of... etiquette... to go to a public forum and post something only a few will understand. It contradicts the goal of a public communication board, where we should all be able to understand eachother to some extent.
I'm pretty sure his target audience will get the drift, and anyone else who knows anything about Ugs will as well.

The Brutor being the most, well, Brutorish of all the Minmatar people, I find it pretty damn logical for them to band together. I wish Ugleb and the Jotunn Risi well on their journey.