EVE General Discussion

the last 2 pages of this thread is comedy gold.

this is why i think goons are great and why i can't understand why people hate them, they're like eve's version of frankie boyle.

Sadly it might get the tread locked/deleted...

Or a lame attempt to bury the talk about power projection and how is is a core issue with sov...

lol

Oh I did, multiple times. You and others shoved your fingers in your ears yelling, "lalala I can't hear you, lalalala..." But that is ok. The right people saw it and I'm satisfied. Enjoy it while you can.

The whole of null needs to be turned into one giant sausage-fest with a revamp of Sovereignty mechanics, Alliance mechanics, more bottlenecks and and more jumpgates/links between regions forcing the hand of those backwater dwellers who just want to rat and gather technetium to their hearts content and general safety. Only by making things more scarce (or harder to hold on to) do you create the necessary backdrop for change.

As it stands, null tends to lean towards monopoly with alliances that are too big ("That is no moon, that is a space station.") and hold too much sway/ground limiting others from venturing out into null. And no, people don't want to join an alliance simply to be "renters" to some god-awful dictatorially minded corp/alliance. The social aspect begins with wanting to play with a few like-minded individuals to that of broad cooperation with other corps. If CCP are going to do something about mechanics it has to be done from the aspect of decreasing the monopoly of null by large alliances.

Monopoly bad, m'kay. It breeds restlessness in the mob/"fanbois" and other mainstream "wannabes".

LOL @ the thought of Goons trying to blue CONCORD

Seriously though, if their Glorious Leader is whining about not going to war "because of grind" you'd have thought the scrubs would have fully backed this thread. Oh well, just another day in GD I guess

The true reasons nothing ever really happens in 0.0:


- we're all jaded, we've all been doing this for years and back then we had really good reasons for it (extreme dislikes, the "us vs them" feeling) but these days... pffff. It's all one big melting pot where we know our enemies on a first name basis due to meta gaming and players switching corps/alliances/powerblocks. Lets face it, perhaps the old garde is still clinging to this game for no other reason than "we don't know when to quit" but these days lack the fire, drive and youthful eagerness to make stuff happen. The old boys network prevents stuff from actually happening and changing.

- we're lacking a universal bad boy, a target people can rally against/for and there's simply no grudge matches anymore, this also ties in with reason #1

- power projection, because of jump bridges, titans rides and Scaps being able to deploy just about anywhere on a whim's notice location is a non-issue and as such there's no reason to fight for "better space" other than moons and not wanting to have nasty hostiles next door. Logistics are silly easy and aren't affected by location.

- 0.0 is full of risk averse carebears just as in high sec. By that I mean that choices are made based on income possibilities and security, there's no difference between an alliance deciding to stay put and blue everything in the surrounding area because they might lose a moon or fight and a high sec bear not entering low sec because he might lose his raven. People can claim and posture all they want taking the high ground but in reality they're just as bad. This results in NIPS and 0.0 folks moving to high sec to "have some fun" while in reality it just means easy non-risk shooting at fish in a barrel. And while that's fun to do it's also showing they're taking the game so serious that they don't want to "risk" anything

- powerblocks, doesn't need explanation I hope



So, while sov issues certainly don't help they never stopped us before, 15 minute module activation didn't stop us, terrible exploits/features didn't stop us. What IS stopping us is a lacking motivation, taking the game too serious and the old boys still being in control while being burnt out on the game and having lost the fire. Changing the SOV mechanics is overdue yes, but it won't change anything because all of the above still applies.

sounds good to me! as I like to say there should always be something fun to shoot! a small roaming gang should be met with force, not dock up for a few mins till they get bored and move on. or if you do run and hide they can do something that will annoy you, I was just thinking if they shoot your thingy all your anoms revert to the lowest level till they all get cleared. or some sort of incursion like penalty, or a bounty stealer.

and of course players need stuff to do, having one guy ratting and another doing all the anoms sucks for getting players out to 0.0. especially when there are systems where you are better off mining veldspar than ratting.

Funny you should say that. As I am affiliated with corps and an alliance based out in stain, and have mentioned doing exactly what is going on right now. TEST and Goons have reset. You all have spent pages and pages explaining how that wouldn't work because of sov, and now you are doing exactly that. E: small gangs of goons and test roaming around killing each other while you are reset and are not killing structures.

Weird how I have been clamoring for that and told it wouldn't work, then you guys end up doing it anyways.

Took you how many pages to finally respond to that? Fixing that post you made with the terrible formatting would have been a better idea. What you were asking for was moving moons to lowsec only which is a terrible idea, we debunked all of your arguments and you replied as was "lol no."