EVE General Discussion

The dps on those things is so low :(

Oh, I noticed =(

That said, it can be fit for range with dual webs, which should enable it to take out pretty much anything fit with short range guns right, and with the Cov Ops Cloak, I should be able to dictate range fairly easily.

You would have to pick your targets very carefully.

3 425 acs II Barrage M
Cov Ops Cloak II

Web II
Web II
Warp Disrupter II
LSE II
LSE II
10mn MWD

Gyro II
Gyro II
DCU II
Nano II

Medium Projectile Ambit Extension I
Medium Projectile Ambit Extension I

Alternatively you could use a huginn, no cov ops cloak but more dps and better tank.

3 220 acs II Republic fleet EMP M
3 HAM II Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile

Invul II
LSE II
LSE II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scram I
10mn MWD

DCU II
BCU II
Gyro II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender

Not a good fit to solo in, or a good fit. Get a stabber, nano shield tank it.

rapier != pilgrim

I spend a lot of time in a Rapier. So I'll start by saying it's a terrible solo ship. It is meant to support gangs/fleets by either making stuff easier and faster to kill or by sneaking up on and holding targets at range till the fleet can arrive to kill it.

You can kill frigs with it at range if the frig pilot is an idiot. Chances are they will just warp out though before you can do anything meaningful to them. If you let them get in close range to you (such as them getting a lucky warp in on you) you will be in a world of hurt. 650 Rapiers CAN not hit an orbiting frig even with webs. It's just too fast for your tracking.

Also, faction webs are your insurance policy on these ships. Yes, they are very expensive, but they keep you alive by keeping stuff even farther away from you. Once something gets in disruptor/scram range... you are one dead Rapier.

Rapiers are support ships really - they do range control rather than kill things.

Only time I've really seen Rapiers solo(ish) is when they are departing grid as fast as possible.

They are also one of these ships where you can commit appalling screwups for your gang - like putting a web on something aligning before the point/scram goes on.

So, I'm convinced. I'm going to stop thinking of that ship as a solo ship, and start training Amarr cruiser V so I can fly a Pilgrim, which appears to be much better at the solo stuff.


That said, I already have the Rapier, so... what should I do with it? I'd like to learn to fly it and make it shine in small gangs or whatever. Any advice on how this is done? Are there any guides for Rapier/Force recon pilots?

How should I fit it, how should I fly it?

well, it makes a good scout. use it to find folks and point them as your friends warp into your position.

That is pretty much the point of the ship i thought. I would imagine that this would be handy in defensive plexing where individual plexers are trying to turn buttons and you and your crew, 2 or 3 all that's needed, get in there and kill em.

u will know if you have time based on how many WTs are in local, eh? And make sure you Dscan and keep an eye on local as you kill the plexers to be alerted to their friends... they won't be coming out of stations though in your held warzones.

Yeah, as of now I have the following ideas for how its useful.

1. Its useful for setting traps, particularly for frigs and dessies. Put a tanky t1 frig in a medium plex, wait for a daredevil, T2 frig or something similar to show up, melt daredevil face. If multiple frigs show up... stay cloaked. This would only be useful in systems that have very low population, otherwise you'd risk not being able to kill the T2 frig or Dessie before the guy's buddies show up.

2. I hear its very useful in small fleets... although frankly how is a little vague for me. I know it can web stuff, I know it can target paint stuff... it can do a small amount of additional damage for the fleet... it just barely sounds useful in this role. In a kiting fleet it could be really useful to keep ships from closing well. I don't know why I'd prefer this ship in a small fleet to just a Stabber Fleet Issue though. Webs and Target painters don't seem like they're worth losing the damage in a small fleet, and of course the cost is prohibitive. If paired with the Force Recon that has the warp disruption bonus (Arazu?) it could be really good at pointing large and expensive ships that are hard to point for frigs from range. Unfortunately, I don't know any Arazu pilots, and there aren't a lot of big ships lying around waiting to get popped in FW space. Also, this is really something involving its third theoretically useful role.

3. Scout/Pointer, I've been told by some that its just too expensive to use as a scout. Honestly, I don't know, it seems like it would make a great scout. Using it to find solo ratting BCs or BSes in null would be cool maybe. I don't like the idea of using it for pointing things. Seems like 24k is just not far enough away for it to be when attempting to point something like a battleship... Moving it to a faction disruptor would help, but it would also double its price. Is it worthwhile as a 350 mil cruiser that can uncloak and point? Well... probably... but **** if I want to risk losing that ship.

It should be noted that just because a ship has a bonus for a thing doesn't necessarily mean it's necessary. With two webs the target painter is largely pointless as your using medium arty anyways, you'll have no problem for hitting full damage on anything.

The target painter is for when your supporting a BS ship and trying to shoot things with low sig (like hacs) with the battleships.

What I'm saying is slap another shield extender in there.

EDIT again: don't even fly this till you have Recon5.