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Making Public a Grievance with CCP to show how they care about there Customer base

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Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#81 - 2013-01-26 06:15:22 UTC
yer mammy wrote:
lol

wow...that face.

Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword

Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#82 - 2013-01-26 06:23:08 UTC
Good riddance, you worthless filth.

Go find another game to ruin with RMT, and never come back.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.

Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#83 - 2013-01-26 06:56:48 UTC
So you

-RMT'd isk
-Spent $1900 on EVE
-Demand preferential treatment

Strike 3 buddy, gtfo. You also need mental help as no healthy person does the above 3 things.
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#84 - 2013-01-26 07:33:14 UTC
Max Doobie wrote:
Dude GTFO of here with that crap. You can ALREADY buy isk. CCP didn't do this out of some love for the game or fairness, they did it because they want you to buy isk from THEM, i.e. buy plex then sell.

If you folks hate RMT so much then why do you partake in PLEX???? That's RMT. No matter how you slice it, dice it, flip it; That's using REAL money to buy in game stuff that gives you an advantage over other players. The only thing "wrong" he did was buy from folks not affiliated with CCP not RMTing.


He did wrong by buying from people who run bots which, in the long term, put a disproportionate load on the cluster compared to other players, which is adverse to your experience on Tranquility and mine. He did wrong by buying from people who phish account details and steal their ISK and assets to sell to others. He did wrong by buying from people who defraud CCP and other MMO developers by charging back subscription fees after their bot accounts are burned.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#85 - 2013-01-26 07:51:58 UTC
Shipasta wrote:

I then looked back over my paypal account and found in the last 18 months I have spent $1900 with CCP on PLEX and subscriptions.


What the hell is wrong with you?
Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
#86 - 2013-01-26 07:53:20 UTC
Read through first few pages, laughed a bit at OP trying to justify and feel CCP should take it further, any character with a negative wallet should not be able to be biomassed.

It's not like we all don't know that RMT is bad, against the rules, and deserves stronger punishment. No warnings, no 2nd chances, tough luck.

I'm getting so many mixed messages off the OP, spent $1900 with CCP yet bought some isk, gives billions away.

The character is over 4 years old, yet you didn't realise what kind of response you'd get on the forums after admitting cheating and wanting ccp to go easy on you?

There are options out there, it's not difficult to get yourself out of this situation as people have suggested, 3 bil is 6 plex, if you're that sorry, then buy another 6 plex on an alt char, sell them and transfer the isk and be grateful that CCP don't take these matters more seriously than they do.

Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
#87 - 2013-01-26 08:01:28 UTC
Max Doobie wrote:

Dude GTFO of here with that crap. You can ALREADY buy isk. CCP didn't do this out of some love for the game or fairness, they did it because they want you to buy isk from THEM, i.e. buy plex then sell.

If you folks hate RMT so much then why do you partake in PLEX???? That's RMT. No matter how you slice it, dice it, flip it; That's using REAL money to buy in game stuff that gives you an advantage over other players. The only thing "wrong" he did was buy from folks who hack accounts, bot, and generally don't give a crap about the eve community as long as they get their real life bucks.


FYP

Buying a plex to sell is not the same as buying isk, the end result is the same temporarily but the method is quite different.

CCP sanction buying plex to sell for isk, the money goes back to CCP even if you buy the GTCs from an outside source like shattered crystal or one of the many others, and since you can choose to either extend your game play by another 30 days or sell it for someone else to extend their game play for another 30 days, CCP are essentially only selling the 30 day game play extension, they're not giving you the isk.

Shipasta
Kenshin.
Solyaris Chtonium
#88 - 2013-01-26 08:05:33 UTC
the responces in this forum i find quite amusing,

most say ban a player for a first time offence even after he has spent a great deal with the company and the rule he broke literaly hurt no one.

lol even had some one question my mental helth. haha like that is a valid point you are not qualified to make such a call.
most are at me like i researched where the isk cam from., where an isk seller gets there isk isnt my concern

i dont go reaserching where my orange juice is made tho if i did id prob find its squeezed by child labour in a third world contry, not something i take into concidereation, the veiws of ppl here to do with RMT leads me to believe ppl on these forums have more to do with them than they let on.

half the ppl slandering me proberbly have buoght isk from rmters at some point and are of a harsh veiw to make out three againts it.

you guys make me sick to treat a fellow player like this.

Josef Djugashvilis
#89 - 2013-01-26 08:07:52 UTC
If you can afford to spend $1900 on the game, then buying illegal isk just seems like greed on your part.

Take your punishment like a man/woman and stop complaining.

This is not a signature.

Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#90 - 2013-01-26 08:09:35 UTC
Max Doobie wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
sell plex with alt, donate isk to main?

BTW, you're not going to get much sympathy from the general eve community. RMTers should be banned, in my opinion.




Dude GTFO of here with that crap. You can ALREADY buy isk. CCP didn't do this out of some love for the game or fairness, they did it because they want you to buy isk from THEM, i.e. buy plex then sell.

If you folks hate RMT so much then why do you partake in PLEX???? That's RMT. No matter how you slice it, dice it, flip it; That's using REAL money to buy in game stuff that gives you an advantage over other players. The only thing "wrong" he did was buy from folks not affiliated with CCP not RMTing.


Buying PLEX is not buying isk. You can trade PLEX for isk on the market if you choose but that's a seperate transaction altogether & not related to the purchasing of PLEX.

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Josef Djugashvilis
#91 - 2013-01-26 08:12:24 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Shipasta wrote:
Im not the only one that makes mistakes.


True, apparently your spell checker is conspiring against you as well.


Eve has a spell checker?

This is not a signature.

Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#92 - 2013-01-26 08:14:26 UTC
Shipasta wrote:
most are at me like i researched where the isk cam from., where an isk seller gets there isk isnt my concern

i dont go reaserching where my orange juice is made tho if i did id prob find its squeezed by child labour in a third world contry, not something i take into concidereation, the veiws of ppl here to do with RMT leads me to believe ppl on these forums have more to do with them than they let on.


So you simply don't care how the people you did business with, directly or indirectly, conduct operations that are detrimental to the game as a whole? Since you're leaving, I don't want your stuff; it's probably tainted by your RMTing.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#93 - 2013-01-26 08:14:39 UTC  |  Edited by: SmilingVagrant
No I mean really, you shouldn't be ashamed of buying isk. Who cares, you sometimes get one over on a skygod I guess. You should be ashamed for spending $1900 in plex.

EDIT: Isk isn't THAT hard to make either holy crap.
Brutus King
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#94 - 2013-01-26 08:16:41 UTC
Very amusing post. Goodbye, you won't be missed.
Shipasta
Kenshin.
Solyaris Chtonium
#95 - 2013-01-26 08:17:45 UTC
Brutus King wrote:
Very amusing post. Goodbye, you won't be missed.


I wont miss you either :)
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#96 - 2013-01-26 08:22:34 UTC
Shipasta wrote:
the responces in this forum i find quite amusing,

most say ban a player for a first time offence even after he has spent a great deal with the company and the rule he broke literaly hurt no one.


Actually the rule you broke does hurt people. See this lovingly crafted post:
Andski wrote:
He did wrong by buying from people who run bots which, in the long term, put a disproportionate load on the cluster compared to other players, which is adverse to your experience on Tranquility and mine. He did wrong by buying from people who phish account details and steal their ISK and assets to sell to others. He did wrong by buying from people who defraud CCP and other MMO developers by charging back subscription fees after their bot accounts are burned.


Shipasta wrote:

most are at me like i researched where the isk cam from., where an isk seller gets there isk isnt my concern

Some guy said he would sell you a bunch of isk. It doesn't take research to know it's dodgy, just a tiny amount of common sense.

Shipasta wrote:
i dont go reaserching where my orange juice is made tho if i did id prob find its squeezed by child labour in a third world contry, not something i take into concidereation, the veiws of ppl here to do with RMT leads me to believe ppl on these forums have more to do with them than they let on.

Fortunately most of us can differentiate between reality & fantasy. It is apparent that you can't. Our views of RMT come from research & knowing how damaging it is to the health of gaming. why would we speak ill of something we were involved in? There's no logic in your assumption.

Shipasta wrote:
half the ppl slandering me proberbly have buoght isk from rmters at some point and are of a harsh veiw to make out three againts it.

you guys make me sick to treat a fellow player like this.


I can't speak for others, but I have a harsh view towards RMT because it damages the games I enjoy playing & encourages the sellers to phish for more accounts & supports botting.

I don't consider people like you as a fellow player. You are a scourge to the gaming community & are no better than the people selling the isk.






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Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#97 - 2013-01-26 08:25:53 UTC
Shipasta wrote:
Mr. Orange wrote:
Shipasta wrote:


First off I would like to apologize to the player base for my breach of the ELUA if my actions have caused any harm to you I am truly sorry and I ask of your forgivness for my act,



Your actions within EvE have caused me great undue stress! As a result of this said stress, I have been having "performance issues" in bed with my wife.

When I tried to explain to her that it wasn't her fault; that my mind was on Eve at the time, she went "bat-**** crazy" out of control.

I am now looking at a dire situation, most likely headed for divorce...

It's because of RMT people like you that we can't have nice things.... Cry



im truly sorry for your preformance issues in bed, may i sugest you seek mediicle adivce. I would hate to hear you broke up your marriage over a video game.

I dont feel I cheated CCP ive given them more than most do. I spent $60 with an isk seller and I spent $1900 with CCP,
although you guys blast me its ppl like my self that spend tehre hard earned money on this game that pays for its staf and development. I could of easily paid for plex with my in game income but i chose to paypal my accouts to suport CCP and tehre great work.

I offer a genuine apology and all i get is harsh comments, I dont condone RMT and after experianceing it and knowing its concerquince i would strongly advise you never engauge in it.

on another had i do wish CCP offferd there plex at a lower rate so that it would not be a temtation for other players to engauge in RMT.

Don't get me wrong, you have my sympathy if what you said is true. You already weren't permabanned from what I've read so far, so that's the 'leeway' CCP has given you. The thing is, the moment CCP starts to give 'special treatments' towards people judging by the amount of RL isk they've given to the game instead of viewing it on a bigger scale, that's the moment when the game's utterly screwed like some of those P2Win games out there. CCP is known for being an idealist and respected game developers, I'm just glad that they intend to keep it that way.

"I'd rather have other players get shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave

Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#98 - 2013-01-26 08:34:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Also I don't think harsher penalties for ISK buyers are necessary or even a good idea, since buying ISK and having it sent to hostile FCs, titan pilots and other key members would become a big metagaming tactic.

Imagine every war starting out with the defending side's FCs getting banned until the GMs agree that it was an attempt to remove them from the game long enough for progress to be made. It'd get really dumb, really quick.

In any case, I'm pretty sure that getting the ISK revoked (which generally ends up with a massive negative wallet) is enough to dissuade players from buying ISK in the future.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#99 - 2013-01-26 08:49:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
"i dont feel 100% responsible." =
Whatever i chose to do, at least partly somebody else is to blame too.

You are saying that it wasnt all your own decision.
Not only that, you are a liar and a hypocrit too.

...

Get the **** out!
ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#100 - 2013-01-26 09:05:01 UTC
The OP breaks the following rules:

Quote:

5. Ranting is prohibited
A rant is a long-winded, redundant post, often filled with angry, non-constructive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and helpful in the development of the game, but rants are disruptive and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise, clear manner and avoid going off on rambling tangents.

10. Warnings and bans are not to be discussed on the forum.
Such matters shall remain private between the CCP and the user. Questions or comments concerning warnings and bans will be conveyed through e-mail or private messaging. Likewise, discussions regarding moderator actions are not permitted on the forum. If you have questions regarding a post or thread, please file a petition.


... and much of the rest of the thread breaks one or both these:

Quote:

6.Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another. Text of this nature is not beneficial to the community spirit and will not be tolerated. Corporation, faction and alliance members and other players are cautioned to avoid allowing “in character” disputes from becoming "out of character" personal attacks. The game is designed for role-playing and/or portraying a role and it is sometimes easy for tempers to flare when the lines between the virtual world and the real world are crossed. Please keep in-game disputes in the game and off the forum unless it is clearly a mutual, in-character exchange.

20. Post constructively.
Negative feedback can be very useful, provided that it is presented in a civil, factual manner. Tell us what you don't like and why and how you feel it could be improved. Posts that are not constructive, insulting or rude may be deleted, no matter how valid the ideas behind them may be.


... so I'm going to go ahead and lock this.

Please note that CCP strives to fairly enforce their rules regardless of who the subject involved is. If you believe that CCP has a policy for preferential treatment, that is a problem, and I encourage you to contact Internal Affairs to rectify the situation.

ISD LackOfFaith

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