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Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#281 - 2013-01-25 19:34:28 UTC
Do Goons have hangers full of PLEX with some idea of a way to hyper inflate the price of PLEX?

Oh, maybe just by making PLEX a bad buy for new players by scamming them, less PLEX will be bought and the return on the stockpiled Goon PLEX will be substantial.

Thats a neat idea. Is there any way to see what people have in their lockers? That would be a neat in game option. Spy nanopaste!
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#282 - 2013-01-25 19:35:27 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Do Goons have hangers full of PLEX with some idea of a way to hyper inflate the price of PLEX?

Oh, maybe just by making PLEX a bad buy for new players by scamming them, less PLEX will be bought and the return on the stockpiled Goon PLEX will be substantial.

Thats a neat idea. Is there any way to see what people have in their lockers? That would be a neat in game option. Spy nanopaste!


Got to be something more than just scam based inflation. It would be a great way to suck ISK out of highsec though.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#283 - 2013-01-25 19:36:50 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Do Goons have hangers full of PLEX with some idea of a way to hyper inflate the price of PLEX?

Oh, maybe just by making PLEX a bad buy for new players by scamming them, less PLEX will be bought and the return on the stockpiled Goon PLEX will be substantial.

Thats a neat idea. Is there any way to see what people have in their lockers? That would be a neat in game option. Spy nanopaste!


Got to be something more than just scam based inflation. It would be a great way to suck ISK out of highsec though.


If all the PLEXed hulk fleets saw a 20% rise in the cost of PLEX on 6 or 10 accounts. Maybe thats what is going on here.
Lovely Dumplings
My Little Pony Appreciation Corporation
#284 - 2013-01-25 19:39:00 UTC
hey, not to be mean...but you kinda forgot to switch chars when posting up there.

Don't feel bad, happens to the best of us.

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Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#285 - 2013-01-25 19:41:00 UTC
Lovely Dumplings wrote:
hey, not to be mean...but you kinda forgot to switch chars when posting up there.

Don't feel bad, happens to the best of us.

I was just so excited by the idea! What a great scam. Wish I had thought of it and ha the resources to pull it off.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#286 - 2013-01-25 19:43:38 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Do Goons have hangers full of PLEX with some idea of a way to hyper inflate the price of PLEX?

Oh, maybe just by making PLEX a bad buy for new players by scamming them, less PLEX will be bought and the return on the stockpiled Goon PLEX will be substantial.

Thats a neat idea. Is there any way to see what people have in their lockers? That would be a neat in game option. Spy nanopaste!


Got to be something more than just scam based inflation. It would be a great way to suck ISK out of highsec though.


Pretty juch all of our free PLEX come from people like this. The rest are bought off the market for special people, because they are really special to us.

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Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#287 - 2013-01-25 19:46:49 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Do Goons have hangers full of PLEX with some idea of a way to hyper inflate the price of PLEX?

Oh, maybe just by making PLEX a bad buy for new players by scamming them, less PLEX will be bought and the return on the stockpiled Goon PLEX will be substantial.

Thats a neat idea. Is there any way to see what people have in their lockers? That would be a neat in game option. Spy nanopaste!


Got to be something more than just scam based inflation. It would be a great way to suck ISK out of highsec though.


Pretty juch all of our free PLEX come from people like this. The rest are bought off the market for special people, because they are really special to us.


Yeah but do you guys have a huge surplus of PLEX? or just enough to get by?
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#288 - 2013-01-25 20:00:34 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Do Goons have hangers full of PLEX with some idea of a way to hyper inflate the price of PLEX?

Oh, maybe just by making PLEX a bad buy for new players by scamming them, less PLEX will be bought and the return on the stockpiled Goon PLEX will be substantial.

Thats a neat idea. Is there any way to see what people have in their lockers? That would be a neat in game option. Spy nanopaste!


Got to be something more than just scam based inflation. It would be a great way to suck ISK out of highsec though.


Pretty juch all of our free PLEX come from people like this. The rest are bought off the market for special people, because they are really special to us.


Yeah but do you guys have a huge surplus of PLEX? or just enough to get by?


Hard to say. We have a dozen or so seperate squads that manage their assets on an individual basis. It wouldn't give your argument any weight regardless of the answer.

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Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#289 - 2013-01-25 22:07:24 UTC
Grasping at that ol' goonspiracy ay?

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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#290 - 2013-01-26 01:21:55 UTC
ChaseX wrote:
Maybe the kid shouldn't play EVE at all and what the heck is going on if you get a PLEX from your mom to birthday or something. Jesus go play outside when you are a kid.


Maybe the kid is in a wheelchair. Maybe the kid has asthma. Maybe the kid just likes playing EvE. One thing is for certain, though: Someone out there just stole some kid's birthday present.

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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#291 - 2013-01-26 01:30:30 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
ChaseX wrote:
Maybe the kid shouldn't play EVE at all and what the heck is going on if you get a PLEX from your mom to birthday or something. Jesus go play outside when you are a kid.


Maybe the kid is in a wheelchair. Maybe the kid has asthma. Maybe the kid just likes playing EvE. One thing is for certain, though: Someone out there just stole some kid's birthday present.


I would argue that scamming in EvE doesn't make you a bad person but shows that you fantasize about being a bad person.

Which I suppose if you think about it, still makes you a bad person.

If there is a god, he probaly still considers stealing play money as stealing. You probaly won't burn in the same circle of hell as say Bernie Madoff, but it is probaly not a pleasant place.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#292 - 2013-01-26 01:35:57 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
ChaseX wrote:
Maybe the kid shouldn't play EVE at all and what the heck is going on if you get a PLEX from your mom to birthday or something. Jesus go play outside when you are a kid.


Maybe the kid is in a wheelchair. Maybe the kid has asthma. Maybe the kid just likes playing EvE. One thing is for certain, though: Someone out there just stole some kid's birthday present.


I would argue that scamming in EvE doesn't make you a bad person but shows that you fantasize about being a bad person.

Which I suppose if you think about it, still makes you a bad person.

If there is a god, he probaly still considers stealing play money as stealing. You probaly won't burn in the same circle of hell as say Bernie Madoff, but it is probaly not a pleasant place.


Fortunately, most of us have the ability to differentiate reality from fantasy.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#293 - 2013-01-26 01:39:24 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
ChaseX wrote:
Maybe the kid shouldn't play EVE at all and what the heck is going on if you get a PLEX from your mom to birthday or something. Jesus go play outside when you are a kid.


Maybe the kid is in a wheelchair. Maybe the kid has asthma. Maybe the kid just likes playing EvE. One thing is for certain, though: Someone out there just stole some kid's birthday present.


I would argue that scamming in EvE doesn't make you a bad person but shows that you fantasize about being a bad person.

Which I suppose if you think about it, still makes you a bad person.

If there is a god, he probaly still considers stealing play money as stealing. You probaly won't burn in the same circle of hell as say Bernie Madoff, but it is probaly not a pleasant place.


Fortunately, most of us have the ability to differentiate reality from fantasy.

As long as it isn't the type that requires a daily sacrifice of hearts to rise the next morning.

Perhaps we'll have you do a "service" then

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#294 - 2013-01-26 01:48:22 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
I would argue that scamming in EvE doesn't make you a bad person but shows that you fantasize about being a bad person.

Which I suppose if you think about it, still makes you a bad person.

If there is a god, he probaly still considers stealing play money as stealing. You probaly won't burn in the same circle of hell as say Bernie Madoff, but it is probaly not a pleasant place.


theft is not possible in this game unless you hack somebody's account, which is against the EULA. all forms of "theft" in this game are actually fraud or embezzlement, hth

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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#295 - 2013-01-26 02:05:55 UTC
Andski wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
I would argue that scamming in EvE doesn't make you a bad person but shows that you fantasize about being a bad person.

Which I suppose if you think about it, still makes you a bad person.

If there is a god, he probaly still considers stealing play money as stealing. You probaly won't burn in the same circle of hell as say Bernie Madoff, but it is probaly not a pleasant place.


theft is not possible in this game unless you hack somebody's account, which is against the EULA. all forms of "theft" in this game are actually fraud or embezzlement, hth


Technically, the EvE banks that folded did the same thing Bernie Madoff did. They took money promising to give a return and eventually never returned anything and made off with the money.

Sure the investors willingly gave their money over, but in the end the money was gone and therfore theft happened.

Theft happens all the time in EvE in other forms. People steal out of miners cans, other people's wrecks, and from player ships that somehow ended up as wreck.

I'm still calling it fantasy theft, but isn't it still stealing?

I mean I stole from the monopoly bank a few times growing up.

Its not really moral. I mean its not like robbing an old lady on the street immoral, but its negative behavior.

And if you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.

Which in the whole karmic nature of the universe makes you a somewhat bad person.

I've done some bad things in video games before. I've lied cheated and stole. So yes I am a bad person.

Don't be afraid of your nature. Be truthful about being a bad person deep down. Its not going to put you in jail or make your position of being right or wrong into question.

You like doing bad things to be people in fantasy environments in which there is no recourse to punish you.

Its not like you are going go out into the real world and try a ponzi scheme with old people.

Just admit that being bad in a video game does make you somewhat bad. Not that bad. But somewhat bad.

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NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#296 - 2013-01-26 02:07:22 UTC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_crime

So basically all current virtual crime has also involved a real world component which complicates matters.
But the conclusion is that the virtual crime was still a real crime and was decoupled from the real crime when judgement was pronounced.
Basically even if the real crime did not occur the case would still have been on the virtual theft.
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#297 - 2013-01-26 02:21:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Galaxy Pig
I'm a good person for shouldering the responsibility and stigma of an antagonist.

Galaxy Pig is a bad person.

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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#298 - 2013-01-26 02:33:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Tardbar
Galaxy Pig wrote:
I'm a good person for shouldering the responsibility and stigma of an antagonist.

Galaxy Pig is a bad person.


See, doesn't that make you feel better about yourself.

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Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#299 - 2013-01-26 02:33:38 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_crime

So basically all current virtual crime has also involved a real world component which complicates matters.
But the conclusion is that the virtual crime was still a real crime and was decoupled from the real crime when judgement was pronounced.
Basically even if the real crime did not occur the case would still have been on the virtual theft.



Are you in need of a good space-lawyer? I know several.

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Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#300 - 2013-01-26 02:40:22 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Galaxy Pig wrote:
I'm a good person for shouldering the responsibility and stigma of an antagonist.

Galaxy Pig is a bad person.


See doesn't that make you feel better about yourself.



Meh, I guess a little. I was never really in denial about it. Definitely doesn't compare to seeing a mackinaw go flashy-boom-boom.

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