Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Why? For a start you don't know what changes are being made yet and for another, those skills will still be useful.

What next ban snakes and deadspace modules?

I've been caught out by it myself before - when I should have known better too... that (not so) innocent looking maelstrom idling at the gate easily tanked our dozen or so BCs while picking us off like flies - must have made the guys day. End of the day you learn from it and come back better, more prepared or take a different approach next time.

Unless I'm missing what your saying, aside from the mining ones they don't really overlap i.e. the siege warfare skill gives your fleet a bonus to shield HP and the modules give a bonus to shield resists, shield repair module cap use and cycle time.

A boosting bubble would be great - gives a nice visual to both fleets who has the boosts, and who doesn't.

My suggestion is base on the fact that there is an issue at this time with the full removal of Off Grid Boosting. I am all for the full removal in favour of a ranged one, but if there is not a way at this time to do that then a reduced off grid effect with a higher on grid effect would be an improvement.

I think they are going to try to strike a balance on this.

Where in the descriptions of command link platforms or the modules does it say that there should be only one? With links on-grid and a light retouch of the interface we'll have vanilla BC's carrying them to provide back-up links in case primary, secondary and tertiary link ship are popped ...

Omni-directional boost up-to 50% to combat relevant stats of all fleet member with no targeting required .. the FC that doesn't appreciate that he might have to have several of the ships must not want that insane advantage in the first place ..
We have all adjusted to the need to compose fleets with 'adequate' RR, ECM and tackle .. all an on-grid change means is that link ships will be included in that list rather than being in a category of its own.

Fleet Commands are supposedly going to get some more teeth, and T3 already has plenty, so the overall dps decrease and survivability will be negligible as long as the eggs are spread out to more than the one basket.

Personally don't think it is near enough to just put them on-grid as the benefits of links will still be huge, but have to start somewhere.

All of this talk about off-grid boosting "ruining the game" is absolutely mental. Leadership is one of the most out of the way skills to train, around 10 mil sp, and people are now wanting to get it nerfed because they think their enemies are only winning because they use them?

My corporation, Mentally Assured Destruction, is a high sec war dec corporation that is commonly known for wardecing major alliances. You can check our war reports and see this for yourself.

A few wars we have going on now:
Test
Eve Uni
Nulli Secunda
Undead.
CVA

and in a few weeks we will be permadeccing goons.


This is what we commonly see..... and yes you can see our boosters.

Eve Uni thinks our boosts are unfair

I am an avid reader of all dev blogs, patch notes, and CSM minutes because I have to know what is going on so I can continue to have an edge against the masses. It is not uncommon for us to kill 3 to 5 ships and then our enemies return with a fleet of 50 people.

Test BC's that died

Test Returns with fleet after dying


What I am getting at with all of this is that boosting only makes a difference, and can be noticed, when the users already have an advantage. Eve Uni doesn't complain about our boosters when they have extreme odds. Test didnt complain about our boosters when they had logistics. Too many people as of late have been on this bandwagon to nerf boosters but it won't change how the people that use them fly. If I want to kite I still have to fit nano's. If I have to grab point I still need to overheat. If I want to play station games I still need a buffer. If I want to become unjammable I still need ECCM.


Boosting is and will always be one of the many ways a fleet can gain an advantage over their adversaries.

Current ways of gaining an advantage and their outcome:

ECM: Jam dps, ecm, or logi
ECCM: not jammed as much
Logi: help fleet stay on field longer
Alpha Ships: logi cant deal with alpha damage
Proteus booster: increase sensor strength to not get jammed/jam easier
Legion booster: boost armor stats to stay on field longer
Loki booster: boost kiting tactics to keep out of web range/sig tank
Tengu: boost shield stats to stay on field longer
Blob: Overwhelm enemy
Capitals: out dps/rep enemy
Titan bridge: move entire fleet in seconds
Covert OPs: go undetected
Skill: outsmart enemy <<<<<<<<<<< 90% of a fight

The only time I have ever seen people repeatedly complain about boosting is when they repeatedly accepted fights where they had NO ADVANTAGES listed above but yet wondered why they died. The sad thing about all of this is that one of our biggest complainers, eve uni, has a member on the CSM. Eve uni commonly tells us in local that if we didn't have boosters then we wouldn't have killed them. Yes Eve uni, we killed your Armageddon with t1 MEDIUM guns because we had boosts.

I hope and pray CCP and CCP Fozzie ignore the sore losers on this topic. Since day 1 of eve and LIFE losers have always been looking for excuses as to why they died or lost. Even if boosters are nerfed we will be having a discussion just like this one a year down the road with people saying that its unfair that so and so had this in their fleet.

Simple questions that will help decision making;

Should an EXTREMELY specialized toon with over 20 mil sp not give an advantage to the fleet it is in?

What is the success ratio of the people complaining about the boosters? Do they even understand pvp?

If a tengu booster increases shield ehp shouldnt Pith-A invulns be nerfed too?

Afterburners are the only prop mod that gets better velocity by getting one with a better name. Since that increases speed and helps sig tanking shouldnt it be nerfed along with loki booster?

Did the alliances with on grid boosters win the recent alliance tournament?


If you are reading those and feel like they are taking things too far then you need to also keep your mouth shut on boosting. The 4 boosters are just a few advantage of many in this game and people WILL ALWAYS have advantages. LOSERS will always point fingers BUT it is up to the ones with power to determine who is more full of crap. Just because a portion of the people say something is bad doesn't mean the masses should suffer..... Winners will always be winners and LOSERS will always be looking for excuses.

-Zeus Maximo
Proud CEO of Mentally Assured Destruction

Hey man. My name's Liang Nuren and I'm a member of Heretic Army. We're kinda famous for "link faggotry". I'll confirm that we have no shortage of link pilots both in and out of corp, and I fly with links pretty frequently. I personally have ~25M total SP in Leadership across 4 accounts. I've got all mindlinks and can fly all CS and T3s with max skills. I can (but generally don't) run a full fleet link setup by myself. Our enemies frequently bring links as well, so the fights are somewhat balanced.

I'd like to see links nerfed into the ground. All links, not just off grid ones. :)

-Liang

Ed: To expand a bit on it: I think that only nerfing off grid links wouldn't be meaningful to many of the complaints about links. However, making them less mandatory in the first place solves almost all of the problems.

@Zeus Maximo:
Sorry that is a joke.
A big one.
Sorry that I don´t want that we play CCPs game to force everyone having 2 accounts to be able to do pvp.
When will CCP do sth about it? NEVER!
Because it is profitable to force players to do pvp with 2 toons at once.
1 for shooting and 1 for ogb.
Yeah that is "elite" pvp...

And don´t compare ogb with implants. OGB are almost unkillable in lowsec. Pods are killable.
Fearing you would be a looser without boosts? Yeah need to learn pvp then, hm?