EVE New Citizens Q&A

1) Do we live in space right now? You would think realism was referring to if WE were in space like this.

2) You just made a good point. We should remove remote reppers so that more ships are lost and demand is higher. Thanks!

3) I'd rather not mine MORE because the hulk can't fit much in it's cargo. I'd rather a ship that mined less but could HOLD more. Like how orca's are but made for mining instead of hauling. Because as things are right now; an Orca is what I have to aim for to keep profit which mind you takes 2-3 months atleast to train for and mine effectively with. Just like all these people for their shiny battleships. No reason to touch the market. Give us ores that are in null/lowsec into highsec is another option!

We already have the risk of being ganked in highsec, why not just give us the nullsec ores since it'd be stupid to go to nullsec without being in a GIANT alliance with a safe system for mining in.

Ah, I'm sorry, I don't live under a bridge, no. Trolling is more of what you are doing.

And yes, I would love to mine less then a hulk but with the cargo capacity of an orca. It's less trips back and forth to a station. As for your reference to 'mining corp' .. why should I be forced to? Even then, I can't just jump in a system and go "Miner lf orca support, fleet invite please." and expect to get one.

I also can't keep a hulk for more then a week because every week some combat kiddie giggling his arse off gets his buddies and suicide ganks it. But yet we let these incursion pilots with a 1.2-1.5bil ship earn a billion isk in a day and not lose their "shiny little toy" for months on end.

So tell me... How would YOU fix the market? I personally would remove remote reppers so those shiny toys die once in awhile and the demand for minerals is increased. OR just put nullsec ores into highsec so solo miners have a remote chance to even compete.

Now at this point I have to rebound YOUR accusation and call YOU a troll. Either that or you're just a very heartless guy and want miners to suffer for eternity.

Refer to post above where I say that a miner can't necessarily jump into local with "Miner LF orca Fleet" and expect to get one. Also it's not completely common to have a corp with an orca to spare 24/7.

Sooo saying multiboxing all those for an incursion? I would like someone to post a screenshot of them sitting in front of their computer with all of that going on because I doubt highly anyone has.

Whereas a big portion of miners are forced to mutlibox a hauler due to such ridiculously low cargo space on a 200million isk hulk which quite a few people lose frequently to highsec ganks nowadays.

I was in Amarr/Minmatar areas for pyroxes for awhile but that's where I was always being suicided.
So far I've gone 3 weeks now without losing a hulk now. But that's because 2 suicide ganks failed because I've rigged out my hulk with a huge buffer.

Which doesn't deny the fact that one person in 1 fleet has the ability to pull a billion isk/day. Nor that a missioner lvl 4's can make the money back for his ship in a very short amount of time.

I don't mind these being true quite honestly. I'm fine with how much income all these "i trained forever in combat" pilots make, but if we're going to go around giving such tremendous opportunity to money making to these people then what about the industrial pilots that work a HECK of A LOT harder with spreadsheets and market prediction making only a tenth(if not less) then these people who put very little work into just fitting the right mods and clicking a button?

The only reason people have miners nowadays is because they find a pocket and do real life things while they make isk VERY slowly and VERY minimally. So why not change mining and give each part of industrial the same chance at that large pool of income/day?

Why are combat pilots so much more privelaged when a solo miner has to t2 fit an orca(including VERY VERY expensive t2mining drones) to be able to compete in his profession?

Are you denying that mining needs a huge makeover and made more profitable because they put the same amount of time and more work then combat pilots(if they invest into marketting)?

That's the problem. In -every- mmo I've -ever- played(which is probably more then the mass majority of mmo players) I've always played with economy. Mining. Resource gathering

In 9/10 of those MMO's my choice was fun(as it is here, to me) and ALSO profitable. Here it's just not profitable. And sure, you may respect us industrial types but the mass majority does not. We get suicide ganked; spit on; shat on; told our profession is a stupid choice because they can do the same with minerals from loot?

Maybe CCP will see this and aim for change.

Till then, I'm going to play another MMO that isn't as stressful for a miner and I'm actually rewarded for doing the grunt work instead of **** on.

Because it encourages people to play alone and/or AFK and/or use bots? And none of those options are particularly conducive to a MULTI-player game.



The problem is that whatever mechanic that assists a person to play solo can ALSO be used to great effect by multiple pilots who are cooperating with one other. No matter what you do, any mechanic you propose to assist the "solo player" will be used to great effect by people who work together (because they are, quite essentially, "multiple solo pilots" *gasp*) ... so the solo player will STILL be at a disadvantage.
The only way to get around this is to institute "instances" and "controls" to arbitrarily punish and reward players to play a certain way... but those are anathema to the "sandbox" style play of EVE and will be met with EXTREME resistance and prejudice.

And yes... miners generally are a "friendly-ish" bunch so they might fleet you up if you convo them and ask just for the bonuses (remember, the worst they can say to you is "No").



Sooooo... take precautions? Mine in T1 ships (you mine less, but they you get most of their value back via insurance), overtank your ship (again, you mine less but you are less appealing a target compared to the guy next to you), watch D-scan, pay attention to your environment (you're in a goddamn asteroid belt... it's not hard to notice something "out of the ordinary"), mine in a location that sees little traffic/is hard to find (gravametric belts are good for this)... the list goes on.



Your idea for the removal of remote reppers appeals to me on a level I cannot quite articulate. However the rational part of my brain says that it would not be a good idea simply because it would limit tactical options to simply "who brings more ships" (yes, "blobs" CAN be defeated. It just requires some... finesse).

As far as null-sec 'riods being brought into high-sec... remember: the high value of null-sec ores/minerals comes from the fact that they are only found in the most high-risk (supposedly) areas of the game. Ergo, their availability is low... making them scarce... meaning there is only so much supply available... with means they command a higher price.
If you bring such asteroids into high-sec people will begin mining THOSE rocks in large quantities too... which means that there will be more supply... which means that the price of those ores/minerals goes down... which means you will earn less... and you will have to mine more to get more ISK... and others will do the same... bringing prices down even more.

D-d-did you really just skip the first little paragraph that I made?
Yeah... it'd certainly cause more ships to be destroyed (temporarily at least)... but it'd also take away some tactical flexibility for smaller gangs/fleets who want to sink their teeth into larger groups (interesting fact: a small gang of armor-fit HACs with armor-logi support can take on a battleship gang TWICE its size).

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This idea does come up from time to time. And interestingly it usually gets shot down by OTHER MINERS who don't want to be bothered with "such crap."

edit2: also... how does this idea relate to your issue with not being able to competitively play solo in a multi-player game?

Despite what many of those high-sec griefers and low-sec pirates may say, Miners are actually the back-bone of the economy. They're the ones spending hours just grinding rocks so others may blow up ships and POSes, and yet, at the same time, pirates are the ones who make sure there's a constant need for minerals all over New Eden. Without one, the other simply can't exist, and if you don't like combat, you might as well mine or produce stuff.

You see things in a way you want to or someone wants you believe to.

That incursion guys that brag about how much they make take that one hour they used to shoot stuff and say they made a billion. I bet they don't include the time they needed to find a fleet, travel to the incursion system or sell their rewards.
If you don't belong to some elitist incursion runner club you'll likely spend days for getting invited to some incursion fleet that gets you some rewards at all. Also if the fleet isn't competent enough you might lose your equipment pretty fast.

Now let me tell you a story about a miner. It may as well not reflect the average miner, but it will show you what a point of view is. On top of it it's not even made up.
I own a carrier built by some mainly industrial guy. He entirely mined the minerals for it at some asteroid belts in a null sec system. Mine is one of a couple he built.
I don't remember him losing a hulk in the process. For sure not to NPC.
Instead of fearing to lose his ship to NPC he used to kill them with his drones. One day he was asking around what this blueprint he just looted was worth. It turned out it was a Nightmare BPC worth 900 million isk at the time.

Now continue to train to incursions, get frustrated about it and leave EVE totally missing the point of it - the fun of doing what you enjoy and not what others tell you to do.