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[-WHG-] Public Announcement

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Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#121 - 2013-01-25 14:49:31 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Words.


But what drove them to do that in the first place? You don't just wake up one day and say, "Hey! I want to start a riot!"

There are reasons behind it. No one wants to start an orgy of death and destruction just for the hell of it. It's always to send a message and make demands. I'll admit that those demands may have been voiced behind closed doors, but there's no proof that they did indeed happen.

To top that off, how do we know their demands were ridiculous enough to not be worth meeting?? Maybe all they wanted was a simple agreement to better their living standards, safer working environment, or something. Hell maybe they just wanted to leave and move to another Empire peacefully and weren't allowed to because of contractual clauses deeming them as property and peasants as opposed to real people.

Sorry if I jump to conclusions here, but we're only seeing one side of the story. Just blindly accepting it as "the right thing to do" makes me sick. Whatever happened to questioning things? Whatever happened to looking at the evidence? We have one side of a story and we're just nodding our heads around like a Charisoco being scratched behind the ears before being injected with an experimental vaccine.


And this is your (or our) business, how exactly? This is a matter for Kaalakiota, Wiyorkomi, Wiyorkomi Honor Guard, the State Loyalty Tribunal and CPD. Public notice is generous really, given the security considerations of a situation like this. You and I certainly have no authority, no particular knowledge of the facility or personnel in question, the methods used by Home Guard or anyone else involved, the motivations or reasons behind the dissent or anything but the public notices right here.

Who are you or anyone else here to start questioning what's being done? You're as ignorant on the matter as I am, or quite possibly more given your lack of experience within the State's corporate culture. The only reasonable action here is to allow the authorities and involved entities to deal with the situation and await any public and official reports on what's going on.

If nothing else, one thing is damn certain: These people are far more qualified in these situations than anyone with comms rights on these boards.

I wish WHG, Home Guard and the rest a quick conclusion to the matter and a quick return to stability.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#122 - 2013-01-25 14:51:00 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
This is going to be difficult to grasp for a Gallente, but there is only ever one side of a story.

The story is the narrative written by the successful.


I know the old saying, history is written by the victor. But this isn't exactly an age of technological ignorance. We have the capability to see past smoke screens and contractual jargon. To simply feed into the narrative provided by the "successful" party and not look at it from the other party's side is ignorant and negligent. You don't go into a war without knowing the enemy's reasoning and beliefs, or a debate without knowing the other party's stance and reason for said stance.

If you choose to ignore the other side and go alone with the "oh well they won so their story only counts" idea, then that's your problem.


What you are proposing to do is something I support, and that is opening up a second front of the war of narratives going on here.

I am not proposing that you simply accept the story you are being told. By all means, tell a different story, propose an alternate history. This fight is one between the rioters and the KK and WYRI forces on the ground, and at the moment they control all the information.

You may instead start up a secondary fight, that of Anslo Vs. The Caldari State, if you wish, with your narrative trying to call the state loyalists fascist oppressors of the people. Good luck, but you aren't exactly known for your rhetorical accumen. I suspect that the WHG Commissar will outmatch you in that regard.
Anslo
Scope Works
#123 - 2013-01-25 14:55:39 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
What you are proposing to do is something I support, and that is opening up a second front of the war of narratives going on here.

I am not proposing that you simply accept the story you are being told. By all means, tell a different story, propose an alternate history. This fight is one between the rioters and the KK and WYRI forces on the ground, and at the moment they control all the information.

You may instead start up a secondary fight, that of Anslo Vs. The Caldari State, if you wish, with your narrative trying to call the state loyalists fascist oppressors of the people. Good luck, but you aren't exactly known for your rhetorical accumen. I suspect that the WHG Commissar will outmatch you in that regard.


Tibs, you have no idea what I'm capable of.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#124 - 2013-01-25 14:59:29 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
What you are proposing to do is something I support, and that is opening up a second front of the war of narratives going on here.

I am not proposing that you simply accept the story you are being told. By all means, tell a different story, propose an alternate history. This fight is one between the rioters and the KK and WYRI forces on the ground, and at the moment they control all the information.

You may instead start up a secondary fight, that of Anslo Vs. The Caldari State, if you wish, with your narrative trying to call the state loyalists fascist oppressors of the people. Good luck, but you aren't exactly known for your rhetorical accumen. I suspect that the WHG Commissar will outmatch you in that regard.


Tibs, you have no idea what I'm capable of.


Then show me.
Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#125 - 2013-01-25 15:09:42 UTC
25 January YC 115,

The Wiyrkomi Honor Guard wants to distance itself from the rioters on the grounds of the Kaalakiota facility and accepts the parent corporation's decision to cease employment contracts with what can only be described as former WHG personnel.

A swift resolution of this crisis is deemed in the best interests of Kaalakiota, Wiyrkomi and the Wiyrkomi Honor Guard.


Desiderya Kyiokkinen
Eskeitan Reijokkan
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Anslo
Scope Works
#126 - 2013-01-25 15:14:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Then show me.


I'm not going to make some sweeping generalization that every single person in the Caldari State are evil fascist dogs that need to be put down. That's presumptive and falling into the same 1-side story fallacy I mentioned before.

I know the State has their own ways and customs and I'll be damned if I lie and say I hate them all. The food, the culture, and most of the people (save for Provist nut jobs) are actually great. The baseliners in the State are good and honest people. Any baseliner I've made friends with in the State have been the most loyal and trustworthy people I've met.

So no, it's not Anslo vs. The Caldari State, I won't make it that. I'm not against the State as a whole. They, like the Federation, have good and bad people, and there's too many good people in the State to justify Diana Kim level hatred against the State.

But that doesn't mean I won't call out smoke and mirror contractual/business jargon when I see it. I will make it Anslo vs. Caldari Corporate Policy. Especially when it comes to worker treatment. I've seen how they're treated, I've seen the living conditions, I've seen the working conditions and the stupid amounts of hazards workers had to go through every damn day. And if they're lucky, they get to live another day and wallow back to their shack to sleep a few hours before doing it again.

This isn't what happens on every single Mega Corporate site, but it happens. That's enough to want to ask what the other side of this story is and want to know what the real reasons for the riots are. Again, I'm not saying WHG treats their workers like this, but to not see or hear the other side in this story is enough to make someone suspicious given other situations.

I have a tendency to hope for the best but expect the worst. In this situation, I HOPE the Guard treats workers well and that the rioters were just demanding something ridiculous. But I EXPECT that this is just a needless crack down in place of meeting in the middle with the workers.

Until I see evidence otherwise, I'm standing by my opinion even if their Commissar comes in here to beat me with his well aged rhetorical stick.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#127 - 2013-01-25 15:26:44 UTC
Anslo,

you are spreading baseless accusations and rumors. I would suggest looking for another place to continue your crusade. While this thread is covering public announcements some discussion is welcome as long as it is on topic.

Without addressing your points in detail - I do not think they are credible enough to warrant the attention - I fear I have to disappoint you:

You will not get to see evidence about what happens in a secure KK facility.
You will not get to see internal data regarding WHG procedures.
You will not get to see investigate reports about this riot.

Your opinion, however, has been noted.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Anslo
Scope Works
#128 - 2013-01-25 15:33:48 UTC
Desiderya wrote:
you are spreading baseless accusations and rumors. I would suggest looking for another place to continue your crusade. While this thread is covering public announcements some discussion is welcome as long as it is on topic.


Prove that they're rumors and, like I said before, I'd be happy to back off. Call my opinion a "crusade," call it "off topic," call it whatever you want, try to discredit me and deflect the issue. In the end, you're still covering up something that may be your fault entirely and the rioters are simply demanding the mistake be fixed.

Again, prove me wrong, Please prove me wrong and show that the rioters are just crazy and trying to overthrow the establishment because an officer looked at them funny or something and I will happily and publicly back down and apologize. Until then, all I see is a cover-up of what might be a case of worker reaction to abuse, whether by WHG personnel or pushing around by Heth Provists.

Quote:
Without addressing your points in detail - I do not think they are credible enough to warrant the attention - I fear I have to disappoint you:

You will not get to see evidence about what happens in a secure KK facility.
You will not get to see internal data regarding WHG procedures.
You will not get to see investigate reports about this riot.


So, again, one side. Figures.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Edaine Numenor
Numenor Benevolent Holdings
#129 - 2013-01-25 15:53:09 UTC
Desiderya wrote:

A swift resolution of this crisis is deemed in the best interests of Kaalakiota, Wiyrkomi and the Wiyrkomi Honor Guard.
Desiderya Kyiokkinen
Eskeitan Reijokkan
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard


Euphemisms:
"Swift Resolution"= whatever it takes no matter how brutal or violent or secret
"Best Interests of Kaal..."= ignoring the interests of the rioting workers

Liberating slaves wherever, whenever, and however I can.

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#130 - 2013-01-25 15:53:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Anslo wrote:
Until I see evidence otherwise, I'm standing by my opinion even if their Commissar comes in here to beat me with his well aged rhetorical stick.


Mr. Anslo,

While I understand there is an old adage about the average Caldari female citizen having what may be described as greater, "Testicular fortitude," than the majority of Gallente men, I can assure you I still remain a woman.

As to the main topic at hand I shall be brief and succinct:

The dissemination of information in this IGS communique is solely predicated upon the requirements of corporate transparency as mandated by the laws and regulations of the Caldari State. It is a courtesy extended to the public in accordance to those laws and not a right or privilege to be demanded.

The laws and corporate protocols of the Caldari State, Wiyrkomi Honor Guard, Kaalakiota Corporation and Wiyrkomi Corporation have been followed and enforced as has been deemed fit and suitable for the aforementioned entities and information will be provided to the public as is deemed pertinent to those laws.

None of the entities involved in this matter are beholden to public opinion, only the laws of the Caldari State, and as the only opinion that appears to have been expressed by yourself so far can only be described as poorly constructed outrage premised on ignorance, with affections of knowledge and understanding of Caldari life in order to grant legitimacy to the casting of aspersions upon the Caldari State and the creation of conspiracies where none exist then it is with little regret that I shall relegate such opinions to the dustbin of irrelevancy, unworthy of my time.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Anja Suorsa
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#131 - 2013-01-25 15:56:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Anja Suorsa
Anslo wrote:

I am not and will not pretend to be a public speaker on behalf of the Honor Guard and will leave that to my superiors. However, I believe I am right in thinking that the burden of proof is with the accuser in cases such as this. Therefore it is for you to prove your theory of foul play correct, not for us to disprove it.
Anslo
Scope Works
#132 - 2013-01-25 16:08:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
While I understand there is an old adage about the average Caldari female citizen having what may be described as greater, "Testicular fortitude," than the majority of Gallente men, I can assure you I still remain a woman.


So you start the argument to counter my valid point with an ad hominem attack? Great start.

Quote:
The dissemination of information in this IGS communique is solely predicated upon the requirements of corporate transparency as mandated by the laws and regulations of the Caldari State. It is a courtesy extended to the public in accordance to those laws and not a right or privilege to be demanded.

Despite your tauting of corporate policy regarding transparency, all I see is a copious amount of CYA before what may be a rather brutal end to something that could be simply solved with the rioters. Or you could sate any potential concerns by just telling people why they rioted in the first place and, if you really are just in your actions, prove once and for all that your actions are correct.

As for your privilege statement, when you make something publicly known, you do not have the privilege to simply shrug off criticism of your actions. That's what transparency is, showing what you've done and being accountable for it.

Quote:
The laws and corporate protocols of the Caldari State, Wiyrkomi Honor Guard, Kaalakiota Corporation and Wiyrkomi Corporation have been followed and enforced as has been deemed fit and suitable for the aforementioned entities and information will be provided to the public as is deemed pertinent to those laws.

So corporate law trumps basic human decency? Not event he Gallente ideal of treating humans decently, but the general idea of discourse and debate between two parties instead of just shooting the "disobedient undesirables?"

Quote:
None of the entities involved in this matter are beholden to opinion, only the laws of the Caldari State, and as the only opinion that appears to have been expressed by yourself so far can only be described as poorly constructed outrage premised on ignorance, with affections of knowledge and understanding of Caldari life in order to grant legitimacy to the casting of aspersions upon the Caldari State and the creation of conspiracies where none exist then it is with little regret that I shall relegate such opinions to the dustbin of irrelevancy, unworthy of my time.


So not only more ad hominem attacks to ignore the issue and the simple request, but you contradict your own statement of my opinion not being worth your time by replying to it anyway? Right.

My opinion of wanting to know why the rioters were working is written off as poorly constructed, ignorant, and conspiracy theory material? I'm sorry, I didn't realize requesting to be fully informed on a situation you chose to make public was tin foil hat fodder! Oh shame on me, bad Anslo! *Anslo lightly slaps himself*

Try coming back with an actual argument and not a corporate template message laced with useless ad hominem insults to try to legitimize your actions against rioters who may be justified in their actions (but hey, we'll never know because of "corporate policy").

Anja Suorsa wrote:
However, I believe I am right in thinking that the burden of proof is with the accuser in cases such as this. Therefore it is for you to prove your theory of foul play correct, not for us to disprove it.

The burden of proof would indeed be upon me if I had just walked up to your offices one day and made these accusations out of the blue without any reason or event to trigger it.

However, you people came forward, made the event and issue public, then provide no proof that the rioters really are deserving of "swift action." You're going to get criticism and accusations. You made it public. You prove that you aren't just wiping out some innocent people.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#133 - 2013-01-25 16:41:51 UTC
Anslo wrote:
So you start the argument to counter my valid point with an ad hominem attack? Great start.


Well, you did call her a man, Anslo. A little bit of teasing in her reply is justified :)

Anslo wrote:
Despite your tauting of corporate policy regarding transparency, all I see is a copious amount of CYA before what may be a rather brutal end to something that could be simply solved with the rioters. Or you could sate any potential concerns by just telling people why they rioted in the first place and, if you really are just in your actions, prove once and for all that your actions are correct.

As for your privilege statement, when you make something publicly known, you do not have the privilege to simply shrug off criticism of your actions. That's what transparency is, showing what you've done and being accountable for it.


Replying would indeed sate public concern, I agree. The good saikkokomon is clearly not interested in public opinion, however. Her privelidge in this instance is to act how she pleases, when she pleases. She provides as much transparency as corporate dictates require and no more.

Anslo wrote:
So corporate law trumps basic human decency? Not event he Gallente ideal of treating humans decently, but the general idea of discourse and debate between two parties instead of just shooting the "disobedient undesirables?"


Anslo,

Discourse between two parties is not universally considered decent. For example, it is considered indecent that I have discourse with my janitor. Any conversation we might have should be of no consequence. It would be improper otherwise, and disgraceful for both my janitor and myself. Shooting undesireables is of course a terrible thing, and should only be considered a last recourse. But there are methods other than this for handing such a situation.

Anslo wrote:
However, you people came forward, made the event and issue public, then provide no proof that the rioters really are deserving of "swift action." You're going to get criticism and accusations. You made it public. You prove that you aren't just wiping out some innocent people.


Here is the crux of it, sir. "Swift action" is prized by my people, and does not imply violence. Decisiveness is considered a good trait and a mark of leadership - the ability to see through the noise of life, find the heart of the matter and make a single cut while all others are confused.

You assume bullets are our first recourse. You assume violence against our own people is the natural state. You assume that Desiderya-sejikiin and Gesakaarin-haani have not done everything they could for their own people before this unfortunate state of affairs has come about.

I don't blame you for wanting to know what happens, but when the authorized representative says that she will give no details, please respect her. If you must continue prying, do so through other channels.
Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#134 - 2013-01-25 16:55:15 UTC
The circumstances surrounding an internal audit have been brought forward to the public as a sign of transparency and good will.

I am only answerable to my superiors, not to a person such as yourself. You might consider it an outrage that I am unwilling and more importantly unable to publicize sensitive internal documentation in the open, but I assure you that everyone who had the pleasure to sit on an 'Internal Security 101' course would understand these circumstances.

The reason I have called your accusations baseless is that I know very well how Wiyrkomi personnel is housed, rewarded and treated. My advantage over you is that I am responsible for a sizeable amount of human assets - not just workers - and I know how Wiyrkomi treats its employees in general. You might note that employment contracts are fairly standardized and not cobbled together on a case by case basis.

If you intend to continue to claim that a citizen's existance in the State revolves around 18 hour shifts before one returns to shacks I would suggest that you look again. I am willing to bet with you that federal worlds, especially those in the peripheries, house working and living conditions far worse. Ironically, reforms brought forth by the CPD have made the disparity even bigger.

Furthermore I would like to conclude this address with the simple observation that life in the State might be different, but it is nonetheless the way the Caldari have chosen. It might be an alienating thought for yourself that people might have - without threat of violence or other outside pressure - different opinions than those housed in your part of the cluster.

Have a good day.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Anslo
Scope Works
#135 - 2013-01-25 17:10:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
Scherezad wrote:
Well, you did call her a man, Anslo. A little bit of teasing in her reply is justified :)

OK fine. I didn't call her a man intentionally though. So I humbly apologize for that mistake. (And thank you Schere for pointing that out).

Anslo wrote:
Replying would indeed sate public concern, I agree. The good saikkokomon is clearly not interested in public opinion, however. Her privilege in this instance is to act how she pleases, when she pleases. She provides as much transparency as corporate dictates require and no more.


OK, that's fair enough. But to write concerns off as none credible and tin foil hat fodder is just asking for further criticism, which she'll get (SHE, not he).


Quote:
Discourse between two parties is not universally considered decent. For example, it is considered indecent that I have discourse with my janitor. Any conversation we might have should be of no consequence. It would be improper otherwise, and disgraceful for both my janitor and myself. Shooting undesireables is of course a terrible thing, and should only be considered a last recourse. But there are methods other than this for handing such a situation.


And yes there are, but without disclosure, letting us know what the rioters were even mad about, or even HOW they intend to handle it (sleeping gas and arrests vs. mass executions which have been heard of) leaves a big gaping hole to be filled and speculated on.

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Here is the crux of it, sir. "Swift action" is prized by my people, and does not imply violence. Decisiveness is considered a good trait and a mark of leadership - the ability to see through the noise of life, find the heart of the matter and make a single cut while all others are confused.

I admire that in Caldari. I have a friend in Perimeter who designs weapon components for a living. He manages a pretty tight knit team and he makes calls fast. Hell even deciding a place to eat is .5 seconds for him, as opposed to my other friends who sort of..take...longer to decide.

And yes it doesn't IMPLY violence, but as I said, hope for the best, expect the worst. If they'd just as publicly declare their non-lethal intent as they so publicly announce their coming punishment and just said "Anslo you idiot, we're not going to shoot anyone. We'll take them in alive for questioning," then I'd shut up and let the topic rest. But they just avoid the topic and toss around typical anti-Gallente remarks and ad hominem attacks. If that's the extent of their grand Commissar's rhetorical discourse skills, petty insults and template answers, then WHG needs a new spokesperson.

Quote:
You assume bullets are our first recourse. You assume violence against our own people is the natural state. You assume that Desiderya-sejikiin and Gesakaarin-haani have not done everything they could for their own people before this unfortunate state of affairs has come about.

I don't blame you for wanting to know what happens, but when the authorized representative says that she will give no details, please respect her. If you must continue prying, do so through other channels.


Sorry to assume, but when you see it happen as often as it does, especially in the case of Caldari Construction way back when, what do you expect? They claim to be transparent and then hide everything. I HOPE they did everything in their power to sate the situation and that the rioters really are just crazy, but I EXPECT otherwise because of the round about responses and ad hominem posts to try to discredit me as opposed to answers a few very simple questions.

Also, authority isn't always in the right. They aren't Gods. But alright, to honor your request, I'll stop prying and let their actions speak for themselves. I hope they end it peacefully and prove me wrong, I really do.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#136 - 2013-01-25 17:22:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
It should be pointed out that Wiyrkomi have acted within their rights in severing the employment contracts of the rioting personnel, who are in breach of their labour agreement. Taking up arms, acting violently towards state security personnel and seizing/vandalising Kaalakiota property are all actions the significance of which cannot have been lost on those former WHG personnel who undertook them.

Up until this point you can assume that, behind the scenes, Wiyrkomi Honor Guard personnel have been acting to attempt to intercede on the behalf of their former kirjuun in the interests of achieving the best possible outcome in this extremely difficult situation. With the severing of their contracts, the rioters are no longer Wiyrkomi Honor Guard personnel, they have become dissidents and their fate is now firmly in the hands of the Kaalakiota Home Guard.

Whilst I share the shame that their actions up until this point have brought upon the Wiyrkomi Honor Guard there is nothing more to be done for them. According to the precepts of Wayism, I shall be entering into a 72 hour period of meditation and self-reflection to help me place the shame of this event into context.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#137 - 2013-01-25 17:25:12 UTC
Anslo wrote:

And yes it doesn't IMPLY violence, but as I said, hope for the best, expect the worst. If they'd just as publicly declare their non-lethal intent as they so publicly announce their coming punishment and just said "Anslo you idiot, we're not going to shoot anyone. We'll take them in alive for questioning," then I'd shut up and let the topic rest. But they just avoid the topic and toss around typical anti-Gallente remarks and ad hominem attacks. If that's the extent of their grand Commissar's rhetorical discourse skills, petty insults and template answers, then WHG needs a new spokesperson.


It is not, generally, seen as a wise tactic to declare that you are not going to use lethal force, because the situation does not always work out the way you would like. In general, the idea is "Non-lethal if possible, Lethal if deemed necessary".

It would be nice if WHG and KK would adopt some sort of method that is known to be 100% non-lethal, however only Nation holds a method that meets these standards, as far as I am aware, since it involves using nanites to overwhelm and seize control of the central nervous system.
Wei Soikutsu
Doomheim
#138 - 2013-01-25 17:29:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Wei Soikutsu
Anslo wrote:
I HOPE they did everything in their power to sate the situation and that the rioters really are just crazy, but I EXPECT otherwise because of the round about responses and ad hominem posts to try to discredit me as opposed to answers a few very simple questions.

Your "very simple questions" read very much like dramatic accusations of various malversations, with no attempt made to understand or acknowledge the point of view of your opponents. This may explain why reactions towards you are somewhat dismissive; you are acting the very model of a foreigner who does not understand even the beginnings of the Caldari way.

Anslo wrote:
Also, authority isn't always in the right. They aren't Gods. But alright, to honor your request, I'll stop prying and let their actions speak for themselves. I hope they end it peacefully and prove me wrong, I really do.

Neither are rebels, Msr. Anslo. There are proper channels and procedures for labor disputes and grievances, and none of them involve attacking security personnel with improvised weapons as the first move.

If I'm not mistaken, the majority of WHG workers have cleared their audits and are rotating back into their old positions. The group under discussion has been kept back for further auditing, and as we see now, this may well have been for a very good reason. It is quite likely that they are hiding something; and as they felt the noose tighten, tried something extremely stupid.

If you are particularly concerned about the methods Kaalakiota will use to remove these protestors, perhaps you could try bidding on a removal contract.
Anslo
Scope Works
#139 - 2013-01-25 17:41:02 UTC
Wei Soikutsu wrote:
Your "very simple questions" read very much like dramatic accusations of various malversations, with no attempt made to understand or acknowledge the point of view of your opponents. This may explain why reactions towards you are somewhat dismissive; you are acting the very model of a foreigner who does not understand even the beginnings of the Caldari way.


Maybe if you stopped thinking in terms of Gallente or Caldari and just thought basic decent treatment of a human, regardless of race or affiliation, you'd understand where I'm coming from.

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If I'm not mistaken, the majority of WHG workers have cleared their audits and are rotating back into their old positions. The group under discussion has been kept back for further auditing, and as we see now, this may well have been for a very good reason. It is quite likely that they are hiding something; and as they felt the noose tighten, tried something extremely stupid.


THERE! Right there. See? See how easy that was? A simple statement. I humbly and deeply thank you Mademoiselle Soikutsu.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#140 - 2013-01-25 17:54:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
[Redacted]

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.