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Possible scam/TOS of violation?
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Meia Cosmos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-10-25 04:15:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Meia Cosmos
So being a silly lamenting over how the bounty system was kind of...flawed, I flipped through the list on the off-chance quick cash would happen. Of course it wasn't to be, but that's not where I'm going with this.
I'm noticing a lot of people on the bounty list with "EOH" in their name, which stands for Eve Online Hold'em or something. Even one that is named "www'eohpoker'com" From what I understand it's an external poker service upon which ISK and other EVE related things are gambled. Personally I smell a scam or a TOS violation, but a lawyer I am not. Thoughts?
Skarned
Inroads
#2 - 2011-10-25 04:37:17 UTC
Hello Meia,

Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I am a spaceship lawyer, and I would like to represent you in spaceship court. I charge 5b retainer for such services. If that is too steep for you, spend a day playing eohpoker and I guarantee you'll be able to afford.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#3 - 2011-10-25 04:37:29 UTC
While the bounties are technically legit, they have been placed by their own corp members for advertising purposes. I doubt those toons ever even undock.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Shrek Thrip
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2011-10-25 05:02:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Shrek Thrip
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6631


simple search shows its been around quite a while :)

and it also seems that the bounties are doing the trick
Meia Cosmos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2011-10-25 05:51:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Meia Cosmos
ISK spammers have been (And still are) around since forever, doesn't make it legal. Shame on me for trying to make sure a possible scam was brought to light. Also, that link just makes it sound more like a scam than I first thought. So uh, thanks, I guess? Just sounds like a TOS violation to me or a potential scam.
Just a totally unrelated side note, calling someone 'dense' while using no structure or even attempting grammar really takes the sting out of your words. Not saying you have to be a god of grammar, just, you know, try if you're going to call someone dense. Blink

Also, Mr Space Lawyer, thanks for the laugh.
Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
#6 - 2011-10-25 07:21:42 UTC
CCP has no problem with players gambling ISK. EOH has had a very public presence for a long time and have even had their services promoted by CCP via ISD articles on the in-game news page.

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Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#7 - 2011-10-25 07:34:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Tallian Saotome
CCP has no problem with manipulating in game systems to your own advantage.

CCP has no problem with scams.

CCP has no problem with the fact that the bounty system is broken beyond use and is nothing but an e-peen tool anyway.

Also, EoH is totally legit, and is making isk hand over first by staying that way. Why scam when you are taking in billions a day without serious effort? Last I checked they are hiring dealers, if your interested.

(goes looking for one of the EoH guys to demand his advertising check)

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Dirk Magnum wrote:
CCP has no problem with players gambling ISK. EOH has had a very public presence for a long time and have even had their services promoted by CCP via ISD articles on the in-game news page.

So was E-Bank Lol

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Meia Cosmos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-10-25 13:16:02 UTC
Alrighty then, concern dropped I suppose.
Laqua
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2011-10-25 14:51:00 UTC
You can post and sound really stupid, but for everything else there is Google.
jimmyjam
Fire Mandrill
#10 - 2011-10-25 23:08:43 UTC
Meia Cosmos wrote:
ISK spammers have been (And still are) around since forever, doesn't make it legal. Shame on me for trying to make sure a possible scam was brought to light. Also, that link just makes it sound more like a scam than I first thought. So uh, thanks, I guess? Just sounds like a TOS violation to me or a potential scam.
Just a totally unrelated side note, calling someone 'dense' while using no structure or even attempting grammar really takes the sting out of your words. Not saying you have to be a god of grammar, just, you know, try if you're going to call someone dense. Blink

Also, Mr Space Lawyer, thanks for the laugh.

The first thing poeple allways attack first on someone that has made them mad is grammer do some new its so 2005.
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#11 - 2011-10-26 05:16:27 UTC
jimmyjam wrote:
The first thing poeple allways attack first on someone that has made them mad is grammer do some new its so 2005.

wut?

Poor grammar is one thing, this this....

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2011-10-26 05:59:53 UTC
Skarned wrote:
Hello Meia,

Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I am a spaceship lawyer, and I would like to represent you in spaceship court. I charge 5b retainer for such services. If that is too steep for you, spend a day playing eohpoker and I guarantee you'll be able to afford.


Holy crap I just did a double take on your face. Thought you somehow had 1 giant eye Lol

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Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
#13 - 2011-10-26 12:43:46 UTC
You did a what on his face!

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Hyacinthous
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2011-10-26 16:28:31 UTC
It's funny when a bottom feeder gambling group like this ride on a games coat-tails. It's basically to the point where the in-game bounty system is functioning as this poker sites leaderboards.

Letting these clowns do this to the bounty system is making a mockery of EVE and it ruins all the immersion there once was.

This game is broken, and if I were CCP I would start working to fix and balance things otherwise you are going to lose a lot more subs. Hell, I have BF3 and skyrim to play so unless eve gets back to a working, practical product, I won't be putting anymore money into it.

The main thing I wanted to do when I Started eve was be a REAL bounty hunter and because CCP doesn't care about it's consumer base, or the product they tag their name onto, we have an utterly broken and useless bounty system that only takes up space and get's abused by losers.

Pretty pathetic, if I were developing this game I would put a lot more passion into every little detail and assure it was done right and not broken, instead of just be a moneygrubbing greedy douche like every other ****** corporation in the world now. Believe it or not, business didn't use to be about just making money and soul-less shills in suits didn't disregard their own product in favor of more revenue.

Unfortunately the world is not like that anymore, greed wasn't accepted back in the day it was seen as sin, now'a'days it's seen as required. Well the world is doomed if that is to be the case. Anyone that says corporations that do this aren't wrong need to open their brainwashed eyes to the world around them. The fact that they KNOW the system is broken and useless and DO NOT do anything about it is what angers me.
Slider VII
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2011-10-26 18:04:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Slider VII
Hyacinthous wrote:
.....


First: You know that this is just a game, rightQuestionQuestion

Second: You are not employed with CCP (not that I am aware of) and the Game developers have their hands full with "trying" to make the game better for those of us that are still playing this "game." The bounty hunter system; granted is broken to an extent. Does the bounty hunter system need to be worked on????

yes it does...there is a specific thread on the forums for game suggestions...if you have a suggestion to make the bounty system better then please by all means, put one there in that specific thread and take it from there.

Third: You (Hyacinthous), are not developing this game and "putting attention into every little detail" would be so time consuming that the game would never made it to the market for playing for the general public.

Lastly, EvE is where people come together to cut loose and let out their aggressions "in game". We really don't want to be reminded that the real world does suck at times and that we need to have some sort of diversion to get our minds off of troubles that plague all of us.

If you are mad or upset about what I have said, then so be it, but there has been a lot of complaining by a lot of players (including myself) about how this function and/or that function of the game mechanics that isn't working correctly or could be better. Just remember "It's a game!"

Cheers!

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Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#16 - 2011-10-27 05:11:29 UTC
Hyacinthous wrote:
::Words::

Amazing how a group of player in a game where players make most of the content... Made some content!

Its not like they are even profiting off running it IRL. You gamble ISK, not cash, all the fees are in ISK not cash.

For the love of god, if you have a problem with player generated content, the theme parks are over yonder Arrow

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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
#17 - 2011-10-27 05:41:08 UTC
Slider VII wrote:
EvE


EVE. It's not an acronym.

AFK-cloaking in a system near you.