EVE General Discussion

Exactly do not fly what you cannot afford to Lose, High Sec included. I think a change to the duel system would be welcomed.

CCP Please flag both parties as outlaws for fighting in concorde controlled space, concorde should not allow school boy squabbles to go unpunished.

Greed.... People prefer materialism above fun


Apply that to psycological stuff, world wide cultural differances combined with 0.0 politics and you see why tech moons are destroying eve (it is the same reson why the global crisis started in that 1 particular country ;)). Were the north is all about farming for ISK & Plex the south was for pew pew and fun, ppl didnt care about isk soo much. Unfortualy this died this year due the butterfly affect of ccp's incompetence.

I agree. Fly a Tengu into a hatchery. Drop a yellow can in front of someone 5 hours old and Label it 'Goodies'. That certainly maximizes your chances. But he's a human being, too. What sense of satisfaction does he get?

Oh. I forgot. It's all about you.

Eve is a cold dark place where you are never truly safe. CCP designed it this way, they wanted a safer area for people to train in but allowed enough mechanics for violence to occur wherever you are.

Thats why there is a time delay for Concorde punishment that increases as the security of a system decreases.

If CCP wanted people to be completely safe in certain areas they would of implemented the same anti-PvP method employed by most other MMO's that want safe PvE areas, and that is nobody can attack you unless you specifically flag yourself as open to PvP.

This is not the case in eve and is not the intention. For instance someone could attack you in high sec for annoying them on the forums whilst no PvP or duel flags are in place, Concorde would destroy them but if they can kill you first they are quite welcome to do so and apart for the Concorde action nothing further would happen. However CCP may frown upon someone who repeatedly attacked you in this manner at every opportunity but that would be verging on harassment.

Well, yeah. Basic warfare concepts. One is called an "ambush" and the other is called "overwhelming force".

Perhaps not what some on the receiving end would call "fun", but at least it's realistic at the concept level.

Whats there to be afraid of? It just turns everything boring. Without threat, there is no excitement.

I agree there should be more avenues for people who want to actually be challenged in pvp. Therefore there should be ways to frequently find fights with others who are prepared to fight. But arenas are not the way to do it. It's too contrived.

FW plex fighting is a start to do this but it still isn't great. If they gave us notices of where plexes are being run people could quickly find fights and have some controls but not so draconian as an arena. Fighting in an artificial arena is no substitute for working at creating a game mechanics where good fights happen naturally in the actual sandbox.

Isn't so.
High-sec do not prevent anyone to attack. Concord mechanics simply sanction "illegal" aggression, do not prevent it.
Open PvP in EVE is enabled everywhere in the same identical way. What can change are the possible effects/ consequences of it (security status, cocncord intervention and so on).

The only mechanics preventing direct PvP engagment is, indeed, docking. This is where the say "when you undock you consent" come from.

Let me go back to my famous 'jump off the roof' example.

Jumping off a roof is vaguely threatening, and might provide excitement, but, for some reason, I don't do it very often.

Cool. And don't you see as if your gameplay is viable and you can enjoy building things is just because someone else blow those things up and need to rebuy?

Is not abstract theory, has be experimented:

In Ultima Online (another game known for his open brutal PvP setting and in deepth crafting system and player driven economy) at some point they decided to make everyone happy to split the game world in two:

Trammel (only consensual PvP) and Fellucca (open PvP)

This totally destroyed the game economy, most of the players found more convenient to stay in the "consensual PvP" world also if the open PvP one was far more ritch as resources. Soon everyone farmed safe till becoming dirti ritch, had everything and there was no more need of crafting, the igame economy collapsed under the inflaction and the game died fast.