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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#241 - 2013-01-25 14:53:58 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Mara Pahrdi wrote:
The only one to blame here is the kids mom.


I agree.

How dare she not understand Eve.

Indeed. She should have been the one scamming him.

Remove standings and insurance.
Lovely Dumplings
My Little Pony Appreciation Corporation
#242 - 2013-01-25 15:20:29 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:

I have the feeling that the actual special forces snipers are the guys that don't really want to talk about what they did in the military.


Actually, that's the truth. I volunteer with my local VFW, helping with paperwork. One of the patrons there just tells folks he was a mechanic while in. I got the chance to look at his discharge paperwork, and...wow. Rangers, SF, Delta, and a TON of **CLASSIFIED** entries.

www.minerbumping.com
KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
#243 - 2013-01-25 15:20:56 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:

The scammer has prolly already redeemed that timecode. No in game movement at all, a few clicks and then back to spamming scam posts all over local.



You still don't get it. The plea for help in the Help channel WAS the scam.

There. Never. Was. A. PLEX!

This begging scam occurs every 5 minutes in most local channels. I can't believe you still don't understand that. All of this kerfuffle over PLEX is completely non-applicable to the original scam. I'm sure if the scammer new you've created this whole thread over his phantom stolen PLEX scam, I'm sure he'd be laughing his ass off.

LOL.

KB

Dum Spiro Spero
Mike Mulder
Imperial Phoenix Legion
#244 - 2013-01-25 15:25:02 UTC
CCP has a vested interest in not letting people scam/grief noobs. You're not allowed to can bait (for instance) in starting sectors where all a noob would generally lose is a free and free to replace noob ship. That being said...I'm a new player also, and I'm not buying this story. If you know enough about this game to even know WTH a PLEX is (much less be able to explain it enough to get your mom to buy you one) you should be able to create a market order to sell it. I've played many MMOs over the last 10 years, and in most of them, if you accept a trade...that's on you. The GMs aren't going to undo a trade you both agreed to.

Sounds like someone is just trying to get people to feel sorry for him and send him ISK.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#245 - 2013-01-25 15:25:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Corey Fumimasa
KaarBaak wrote:
Corey Fumimasa wrote:

The scammer has prolly already redeemed that timecode. No in game movement at all, a few clicks and then back to spamming scam posts all over local.



You still don't get it. The plea for help in the Help channel WAS the scam.

There. Never. Was. A. PLEX!

This begging scam occurs every 5 minutes in most local channels. I can't believe you still don't understand that. All of this kerfuffle over PLEX is completely non-applicable to the original scam. I'm sure if the scammer new you've created this whole thread over his phantom stolen PLEX scam, I'm sure he'd be laughing his ass off.

LOL.

KB



Maybe it was me.

And that is the point, If the kid came to help bitching about a lost ship no one would care. Yet this instance of a PLEX scam produces 13 pages and 2000 hits.

PLEX is different and it needs to be treated differently.
KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
#246 - 2013-01-25 15:28:52 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
KaarBaak wrote:
Corey Fumimasa wrote:

The scammer has prolly already redeemed that timecode. No in game movement at all, a few clicks and then back to spamming scam posts all over local.



You still don't get it. The plea for help in the Help channel WAS the scam.

There. Never. Was. A. PLEX!

This begging scam occurs every 5 minutes in most local channels. I can't believe you still don't understand that. All of this kerfuffle over PLEX is completely non-applicable to the original scam. I'm sure if the scammer new you've created this whole thread over his phantom stolen PLEX scam, I'm sure he'd be laughing his ass off.

LOL.

KB



Maybe it was me.

And that is the point, If the kid came to help bitching about a lost ship no one would care. Yet this instance of a PLEX scam produces 7 pages and 2000 hits.

PLEX is different and it needs to be treated differently.


If there was no PLEX involved at all anywhere in this scam....why would that warrant changing PLEX??

Dum Spiro Spero
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#247 - 2013-01-25 15:32:35 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
What does scamming bring to the game?
Ganking brings new ship hulls and a demand for more mods.


Also the mining barge exhumer barge wouldnt have been a cost issue, if TEC were to not be charging extortionary rates.
That and the fact it was shown they had lower health relative to their class, and definitely to low for their stated background.

They had the same base tank as heavy assault ships.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#248 - 2013-01-25 15:55:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Corey Fumimasa
KaarBaak wrote:


If there was no PLEX involved at all anywhere in this scam....why would that warrant changing PLEX??



There was a PLEX scam. There are many scams involving PLEX. The only question is does enabling these scams with game mechanics encourage people to buy PLEX and to play Eve.

Scamming is a core part of Eve, the market and trade mechanics encourage it. And they should, its a great part of the game.

However the Eve market game and its built in potential for abuse is not the aspect of Eve that most players buy PLEX to engage with.

If a player wants to use real money to buy some space ships to fight or mine or just look around with then they should be able to do that. Forcing someone to use a trade system that is designed with room for cons and stealing in order to redeem a purchase is not acceptable business in a very real sense. It would be like CCP suddenly declaring that PLEX is now only good for 20 days of game time because not enough people are buying PLEX.
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#249 - 2013-01-25 16:15:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Pahrdi
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
If a player wants to use real money to buy some space ships to fight or mine or just look around with then they should be able to do that. Forcing someone to use a trade system that is designed with room for cons and stealing in order to redeem a purchase is not acceptable business in a very real sense. It would be like CCP suddenly declaring that PLEX is now only good for 20 days of game time because not enough people are buying PLEX.

No one forces you to use a specific trade system ingame. It's your choice and you have to ensure, that you are doing it right.

There is no need for a special treatment of Plex.

Remove standings and insurance.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#250 - 2013-01-25 16:25:06 UTC
Mara Pahrdi wrote:

No one forces you to use a specific trade system ingame. It's your choice and you have to ensure, that you are doing it right.
There is no need for a special treatment of Plex.


It doesn't matter which one you use, every trade system in game has the potential for abuse. PLEX as an in game item is not "fun" it is not an exciting introduction for new players. The vast majority of them will seek to convert that PLEX into isk as soon as possible.

They should not be forced to risk that PLEX in order to do so. Honestly I think they shouldn't even have to use the market to buy ships, just give them a few for their money, let them get in and enjoy the pretty side of the game. They will discover and be vulnerable to the cold dark Eve soon enough.
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#251 - 2013-01-25 16:33:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Pahrdi
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Mara Pahrdi wrote:

No one forces you to use a specific trade system ingame. It's your choice and you have to ensure, that you are doing it right.
There is no need for a special treatment of Plex.


It doesn't matter which one you use, every trade system in game has the potential for abuse. PLEX as an in game item is not "fun" it is not an exciting introduction for new players. The vast majority of them will seek to convert that PLEX into isk as soon as possible.

They should not be forced to risk that PLEX in order to do so. Honestly I think they shouldn't even have to use the market to buy ships, just give them a few for their money, let them get in and enjoy the pretty side of the game. They will discover and be vulnerable to the cold dark Eve soon enough.

They do not have to risk anything. All they have to do is read up some very basics and start making their brains work.

After a few seconds worth of brainwork they go to the nearest bigger trade hub, redeem their PLEX and either dump their PLEX to a buy order if they lack the isk for a sell order, or they place it as a sell order.

It's safe and you cannot get scammed out of your PLEX if you're doing it right. All that is required is a minimum effort. You're not seriously going to tell me, this little effort is being too much, are you?

Remove standings and insurance.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#252 - 2013-01-25 16:37:44 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Mara Pahrdi wrote:

No one forces you to use a specific trade system ingame. It's your choice and you have to ensure, that you are doing it right.
There is no need for a special treatment of Plex.


It doesn't matter which one you use, every trade system in game has the potential for abuse. PLEX as an in game item is not "fun" it is not an exciting introduction for new players. The vast majority of them will seek to convert that PLEX into isk as soon as possible.

They should not be forced to risk that PLEX in order to do so. Honestly I think they shouldn't even have to use the market to buy ships, just give them a few for their money, let them get in and enjoy the pretty side of the game. They will discover and be vulnerable to the cold dark Eve soon enough.


That's actually a great idea: have a pay to use guaranteed market place that is only accessible through accounts management. One with better tools for working the markets and none of the antics and games that are currently played there. Have a system that equalizes all the .01 BS so that you don't have to filter all that out.

That would allow people to buy items in game with no risk and increase revenues as it would engage with the current PLEX buyers and perhaps a new type of player.

ISK for timecode could be an in game item that is sold from NPC vendors for a price that is based on how much money goes into the pay-to-win account.

Then you still have "PLEX as the ultimate in game item" but kids and people that justy want to buy a ship or two don't have to deal with it.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#253 - 2013-01-25 16:40:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Corey Fumimasa
Mara Pahrdi wrote:


They do not have to risk anything. All they have to do is read up some very basics and start making their brains work.

After a few seconds worth of brainwork they go to the nearest bigger trade hub, redeem their PLEX and either dump their PLEX to a buy order if they lack the isk for a sell order, or they place it as a sell order.

It's safe and you cannot get scammed out of your PLEX if you're doing it right. All that is required is a minimum effort. You're not seriously going to tell me, this little effort is being too much, are you?


Eve is the most complicated game out there. It takes years to learn the market. The wiki is huge, just look at the hours and hours of youtube instruction.

Yes I'm telling you that Eve is complicated and that the in game markets are set up with the potential to scam people.

Are you telling me that the Eve UI is easy to pick up, intuitive and user friendly, and that the game is really a quite simple to interact with?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#254 - 2013-01-25 16:51:26 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:


Eve is the most complicated game out there. It takes years to learn the market. The wiki is huge, just look at the hours and hours of youtube instruction.

Yes I'm telling you that Eve is complicated and that the in game markets are set up with the potential to scam people.

Are you telling me that the Eve UI is easy to pick up, intuitive and user friendly, and that the game is really a quite simple to interact with?


It doesn't take years to figure out the number 0 does not equal 550,000,000.
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#255 - 2013-01-25 16:56:46 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Mara Pahrdi wrote:


They do not have to risk anything. All they have to do is read up some very basics and start making their brains work.

After a few seconds worth of brainwork they go to the nearest bigger trade hub, redeem their PLEX and either dump their PLEX to a buy order if they lack the isk for a sell order, or they place it as a sell order.

It's safe and you cannot get scammed out of your PLEX if you're doing it right. All that is required is a minimum effort. You're not seriously going to tell me, this little effort is being too much, are you?


Eve is the most complicated game out there. It takes years to learn the market. The wiki is huge, just look at the hours and hours of youtube instruction.

Yes I'm telling you that Eve is complicated and that the in game markets are set up with the potential to scam people.

Are you telling me that the Eve UI is easy to pick up, intuitive and user friendly, and that the game is really a quite simple to interact with?

It doesn't take years to learn the basics of buying and selling on the market. And the market UI is not THAT bad.

The only complicated thing at the beginning is to figure out the moment WHEN exactly to redeem your PLEX. That needs some simple brainwork when you do it for the first time.

Remove standings and insurance.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#256 - 2013-01-25 17:06:13 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Corey Fumimasa wrote:


Eve is the most complicated game out there. It takes years to learn the market. The wiki is huge, just look at the hours and hours of youtube instruction.

Yes I'm telling you that Eve is complicated and that the in game markets are set up with the potential to scam people.

Are you telling me that the Eve UI is easy to pick up, intuitive and user friendly, and that the game is really a quite simple to interact with?


It doesn't take years to figure out the number 0 does not equal 550,000,000.


Oh don't worry about that, another window will pop up with the money you get, then we both agree and the trade is done. But you have to accept the first part first. Im sorry im not very good at explaing this, its not something I do much. There is a tutorial about trades if you want to look it up. But I have to go pretty soon.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#257 - 2013-01-25 17:09:56 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:


Oh don't worry about that, another window will pop up with the money you get, then we both agree and the trade is done. But you have to accept the first part first. Im sorry im not very good at explaing this, its not something I do much. There is a tutorial about trades if you want to look it up. But I have to go pretty soon.


Given that you can see the thing you are trading and the amount of isk you will be getting I fail to see how someone can mess up and blame it on the system.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#258 - 2013-01-25 17:11:58 UTC
Mara Pahrdi wrote:

It doesn't take years to learn the basics of buying and selling on the market. And the market UI is not THAT bad.

The only complicated thing at the beginning is to figure out the moment WHEN exactly to redeem your PLEX. That needs some simple brainwork when you do it for the first time.

Its not that bad for me either, but that doesn't make it clear for everyone. If you want to scam some noob there's plenty of options for that without PLEX. Some people may want to buy a faction fitted Raven then will find that they can't fly it and want to trade that. By all means steal it if you can, but they had some time in game, they got a little something for their money.

Whereas with PLEX there was nothing, it was there and then gone.

Honestly if you want more marks floating around with big fat wallets that they don't know what to do with then make purchasing ISK easier and more fun.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#259 - 2013-01-25 17:14:20 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Corey Fumimasa wrote:


Oh don't worry about that, another window will pop up with the money you get, then we both agree and the trade is done. But you have to accept the first part first. Im sorry im not very good at explaing this, its not something I do much. There is a tutorial about trades if you want to look it up. But I have to go pretty soon.


Given that you can see the thing you are trading and the amount of isk you will be getting I fail to see how someone can mess up and blame it on the system.

I'm not arguing that the trade system needs an overhaul or that it is too complex. Only that more people will be in the Eve universe with fat ships and fat wallets that they cannot fly or protect if we allow them to step in and look around.
Flakey Foont
#260 - 2013-01-25 17:15:40 UTC
First, we don''t know for sure that this is true. Greed is always needed for a grift to work.

Second, constantly changing systems to accommodate the lowest common denominator is never a good idea for longevity or quality.

Third, OP seems to start an inordinate amount of threads.....