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Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#221 - 2013-01-25 10:29:57 UTC
I am always amazed how many "kids" play this game. Especially when Eve is supposed to have the most mature audience of all MMOs.

And "disabled vets", of course...

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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#222 - 2013-01-25 11:20:41 UTC
The only one to blame here is the kids mom.

Remove standings and insurance.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#223 - 2013-01-25 11:31:47 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Put another way: If PLEX cant be stolen then people will buy more PLEX. With more PLEX on the market the price of PLEX will go down.



PLEX become worthless, people no longer buy them with RL cash as making more ISK in game is easier and quicker.

Well done, you killed the PLEX market entirely, cut the user base by a third but its ok, because now 12 year olds will play.


I think the way it works is that people who want to buy ingame currency buy a PLEX from CCP, then they sell that PLEX to someone in game with a lot of ISK.

If buying PLEX was safe, fast, and results in a good time then people will buy more PLEX to trade for ISK.

What that means is that the price to buy a PLEX in game with ISK will go down.

In the real world prices go down when transactions are made safe. I'm of the Austrian mindset re economics, which is a bit different than standard Keynesian ideas; but in this situation they both agree: When people have faith in the currency then business increases and prices go down.

I'm going to drink some coffee and see where this thread went overnight.
Yim Sei
Ontogenic Achronycal PLC
#224 - 2013-01-25 11:31:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Yim Sei
While this is a touching story, I believe he'll probably be over it already.

That being said I wonder if there are any affluent members of the community, GMs or ISDs who have a heart big enough to spare 500M from their trillions of isk to help this kid out and maybe stick a bounty big enough on the perp so the kid gets that warm feeling only created by bounty collection mails?

Its still retribution ;)

You never know, it might be another subscription worth saving.

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Tiberius Murderhorne
CONTRATTO
#225 - 2013-01-25 11:34:43 UTC
find out the name of the scammer and post it.

Disclaimer : My posting does not always reflect my Corps views or my allience views.... Infact sometimes it does not even reflect my views!

NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#226 - 2013-01-25 11:37:09 UTC
What does scamming bring to the game?
Ganking brings new ship hulls and a demand for more mods.


Also the mining barge exhumer barge wouldnt have been a cost issue, if TEC were to not be charging extortionary rates.
That and the fact it was shown they had lower health relative to their class, and definitely to low for their stated background.
Lovely Dumplings
My Little Pony Appreciation Corporation
#227 - 2013-01-25 11:39:04 UTC
Nerath Naaris wrote:
I am always amazed how many "kids" play this game. Especially when Eve is supposed to have the most mature audience of all MMOs.

And "disabled vets", of course...


Ohh, I love the "disabled vets" in EVE. Always make sure to ask what unit they were with...it's always "classified" or some COD leetspeek. "Uhh, I was in Recon Squad, Sniper company, Green Berets".

www.minerbumping.com
Yim Sei
Ontogenic Achronycal PLC
#228 - 2013-01-25 11:51:30 UTC
Sorry would have answered earlier but still trying to stich up my arm in this damn forest after I kicked 7 bells out of the local hick force.

They dont like drifters.

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Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#229 - 2013-01-25 12:09:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Corey Fumimasa
How about if PLEX were a type of ship. Call it a "bling ship" for now.

And you get 4 "bling-mobile's" for $20. You can also buy a week of game time with a bling mobile. Or from the Bling loot that drops when they get blown up.

Bling ships are invuln for a random number of systems, or a random length of time, or until the pilot attacks someone.

Same as PLEX, that market wont change. Scamable, lootable, destroyable, tradeable. Just like PLEX

But "Bling ships" guarentee the person who buys one a little fun and fly time. And It pushes that concentration of gankable, lootable, scamable wealth out away from the tradehubs and starter systems.
Lovely Dumplings
My Little Pony Appreciation Corporation
#230 - 2013-01-25 12:16:21 UTC
Why change anything? PLEX as it stands is about the perfect item in EVE. If you want to keep them perfectly safe, you can reverse redeem them out of game. If you want to take risks, you can bring them into the universe.

Don't change a system that ain't broke, just for an edge case.

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Doddy
Excidium.
#231 - 2013-01-25 12:23:48 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:

Secondly, if "his mom gave it to him" it was to give him a month of game time... so why was he trying to sell it to begin with. If I was his mom I'd be a little pissed off about that. That fact negates some of my sympathy.

Gotta disagree with you here. Remember this is the same age group that is paying all those f2p pay to win games on Facebook and PSN and the like. Parents give their kids in game money for stuff all the time (I've bought my kids cards for their games for their birthdays before).

The problem is, in Eve, your stuff can be taken away from you pretty easily, whereas in those other games, it generally is yours once you get it.


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No, the only issue is "is scamming allowed in the help channel, and did this event happen in the help channel or a convo?".


Fundamentally, I agree with you.

However, the headache for CCP will be when mom calls her credit card company and says "That's an invalid charge because my son didn't get the thing I bought." TBH, I was surprised when CCP started allowing you to undock with PLEX - it's got to be mkore of a hassle for them than they first anticipated.


The son did get what she bought, he just gave it away afterwards.

Anyway the op says the guy came into the help channel after he got scammed. He tried to sell the plex, the guy convoed him and scammed him, exactly the same as they try to do on hundereds of contracts every day.
Josef Djugashvilis
#232 - 2013-01-25 12:25:52 UTC
Mara Pahrdi wrote:
The only one to blame here is the kids mom.


I agree.

How dare she not understand Eve.

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Josef Djugashvilis
#233 - 2013-01-25 12:28:21 UTC
Lovely Dumplings wrote:
Nerath Naaris wrote:
I am always amazed how many "kids" play this game. Especially when Eve is supposed to have the most mature audience of all MMOs.

And "disabled vets", of course...


Ohh, I love the "disabled vets" in EVE. Always make sure to ask what unit they were with...it's always "classified" or some COD leetspeek. "Uhh, I was in Recon Squad, Sniper company, Green Berets".


This made me smile.

Here in the UK, ex forces were always snipers in the Parachute Regiment.

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Diamond Bull
Doomheim
#234 - 2013-01-25 12:43:15 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Lovely Dumplings wrote:
Nerath Naaris wrote:
I am always amazed how many "kids" play this game. Especially when Eve is supposed to have the most mature audience of all MMOs.

And "disabled vets", of course...


Ohh, I love the "disabled vets" in EVE. Always make sure to ask what unit they were with...it's always "classified" or some COD leetspeek. "Uhh, I was in Recon Squad, Sniper company, Green Berets".


This made me smile.

Here in the UK, ex forces were always snipers in the Parachute Regiment.



Lol, yes it seems vets were always in those kinds of positions. Why aren't there any guys doing my Grandpa's job anymore? He was 30yrs American Air Force, First Sergeant, and he was in charge of keeping bases supplied and, well, he was kind of an accountant. Someone has to do it though!

I'd buy "I was a supply clerk" over "I was a sniper" any day of the week.
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#235 - 2013-01-25 13:13:55 UTC
Was the money in the trade window correct at the start?
I have had(and done) people change the amount in a gamble to get you to click accept right after the amount changed.
I do not think that is scamming so much as exploiting the system function(network lag specifically)
An easy solution to this is to fix ISK amounts just as things dropped in the trade window are fixed.
You can still scam by failing to put in the zeroes, but now there is no issue of some one changing the amount from the agreed on earlier price with in the boundaries of network and client lag.
I mean this sounds much like using margin trading scam on legitimate but low volume items (tried it, was funny).
At no point are you able to discern a difference from real and scams.
Zol Interbottom
Blimp Requisition Services
#236 - 2013-01-25 13:30:58 UTC
ITT: Remove scamming, we want the 12 year old COD audience

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Lovely Dumplings
My Little Pony Appreciation Corporation
#237 - 2013-01-25 13:42:00 UTC
Diamond Bull wrote:

Lol, yes it seems vets were always in those kinds of positions. Why aren't there any guys doing my Grandpa's job anymore? He was 30yrs American Air Force, First Sergeant, and he was in charge of keeping bases supplied and, well, he was kind of an accountant. Someone has to do it though!

I'd buy "I was a supply clerk" over "I was a sniper" any day of the week.


Me, I did nine years as a medic, with a side order of computer tech.

Sometimes, I actually feel bad for the recon sniper who was in the Green berets. Nobody believes him!

www.minerbumping.com
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#238 - 2013-01-25 14:07:09 UTC
Diamond Bull wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Lovely Dumplings wrote:
Nerath Naaris wrote:
I am always amazed how many "kids" play this game. Especially when Eve is supposed to have the most mature audience of all MMOs.

And "disabled vets", of course...


Ohh, I love the "disabled vets" in EVE. Always make sure to ask what unit they were with...it's always "classified" or some COD leetspeek. "Uhh, I was in Recon Squad, Sniper company, Green Berets".


This made me smile.

Here in the UK, ex forces were always snipers in the Parachute Regiment.



Lol, yes it seems vets were always in those kinds of positions. Why aren't there any guys doing my Grandpa's job anymore? He was 30yrs American Air Force, First Sergeant, and he was in charge of keeping bases supplied and, well, he was kind of an accountant. Someone has to do it though!

I'd buy "I was a supply clerk" over "I was a sniper" any day of the week.


I was a Teletype Terminal Device Repairer, officially. Unofficially, I fixed everything but Teletypes, because the military phased them out while I was in. I wanted to be a chopper pilot but I ended up in commo,.

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De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#239 - 2013-01-25 14:08:24 UTC
Lovely Dumplings wrote:
Diamond Bull wrote:

Lol, yes it seems vets were always in those kinds of positions. Why aren't there any guys doing my Grandpa's job anymore? He was 30yrs American Air Force, First Sergeant, and he was in charge of keeping bases supplied and, well, he was kind of an accountant. Someone has to do it though!

I'd buy "I was a supply clerk" over "I was a sniper" any day of the week.


Me, I did nine years as a medic, with a side order of computer tech.

Sometimes, I actually feel bad for the recon sniper who was in the Green berets. Nobody believes him!


I have the feeling that the actual special forces snipers are the guys that don't really want to talk about what they did in the military.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Josef Djugashvilis
#240 - 2013-01-25 14:15:15 UTC
Lovely Dumplings wrote:
Diamond Bull wrote:

Lol, yes it seems vets were always in those kinds of positions. Why aren't there any guys doing my Grandpa's job anymore? He was 30yrs American Air Force, First Sergeant, and he was in charge of keeping bases supplied and, well, he was kind of an accountant. Someone has to do it though!

I'd buy "I was a supply clerk" over "I was a sniper" any day of the week.


Me, I did nine years as a medic, with a side order of computer tech.

Sometimes, I actually feel bad for the recon sniper who was in the Green berets. Nobody believes him!


Is that because he had so many 'alts'

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