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Guess what? Solo players ARE the majority in EVE.

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Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#341 - 2013-01-24 23:22:23 UTC
Demolishar wrote:
Marius Deterium wrote:
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Marius Deterium wrote:
People who play multi-player games solo are idiots.


People who complain about other people, who play their own game on the same server you use, are also idiots.


No, if you log into a massive scale multiplayer game with the intention of playing by yourself, then you are stupid. Why not just play X3?


You're assuming I want to play with people, rather than AGAINST people.

I'm sure that's not his point.

It's probably more along the lines of, guys that log in and don't want to interact with anyone.
Dave stark
#342 - 2013-01-24 23:23:17 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
guys that log in and don't want to interact with anyone.


i do that, unless chat channels and this place count?
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#343 - 2013-01-24 23:25:48 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
guys that log in and don't want to interact with anyone.


i do that, unless chat channels and this place count?

I would say that chat channels do count.

There's plenty of stuff you can do in EVE that doesn't involve any kind of grouping.

Who am I going to group with? I build ****.

EVE isn't about being "solo" or "grouping" it's about interaction.
Dave stark
#344 - 2013-01-24 23:29:05 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
guys that log in and don't want to interact with anyone.


i do that, unless chat channels and this place count?

I would say that chat channels do count.

There's plenty of stuff you can do in EVE that doesn't involve any kind of grouping.

Who am I going to group with? I build ****.

EVE isn't about being "solo" or "grouping" it's about interaction.


hooray, i'm not a total recluse!

sadly, mining is the same as building, literally no reason to group aside from the obligatory orca. when the orca doesn't actually have to do anything to provide boosts and just has to sit there then there's really no purpose having a human player there, just have an alt with the window minimised.
Demolishar
United Aggression
#345 - 2013-01-24 23:36:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Demolishar
PvP is pretty much the only thing it's beneficial to have friends while doing as it's not viable to run the hundreds or thousands of clients you'd need to have a truly unstoppable fleet, or to properly multibox several of the kind of ships that require pilot skill in "small gang" pvp.

Anything else is either soloable, or small-scale enough that you can win it with alts (up to and including high-end exploration content and Incursion HQs). Involving other people rather than using your own alts will actually reduce the profitability of all such activities.
Marius Deterium
Crush Kill Destroy
#346 - 2013-01-24 23:44:47 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Demolishar wrote:
Marius Deterium wrote:
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Marius Deterium wrote:
People who play multi-player games solo are idiots.


People who complain about other people, who play their own game on the same server you use, are also idiots.


No, if you log into a massive scale multiplayer game with the intention of playing by yourself, then you are stupid. Why not just play X3?


You're assuming I want to play with people, rather than AGAINST people.

I'm sure that's not his point.

It's probably more along the lines of, guys that log in and don't want to interact with anyone.


Playing against people counts as playing with them. So yes, if you log in to play against other people, then you're not stupid.

No, I'm talking about the people that log in, minimize the chat channels and try to ignore everyone else until they get popped and come to the forums to rage about freighters getting popped to much, or whatever it was he was flying.
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#347 - 2013-01-25 00:18:12 UTC
Davith en Divalone wrote:
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:


But a game that calls itself hardcore should never promote failure. Failure in eve comes at a steep cost, and that's part of what makes EVE great. It's sad that some people don't accept that.


The problem is that a failure early on drives a lot of people away. Suppose you have a Trial Account and you are doing tutorials, and you get your first real frigate. You undock and have an instance of non-consensual PvP.


I thought I read somewhere that griefing trial accounts and people in tutorial systems was one of the few no-nos of this game.

And I suspect that suicide ganks of cheaply-fitted frigates are relatively rare. There's no profit in it, and I've read no screeds promoting it. For that matter, suicide ganks of transport and mining vessels appear to be uncommon compared to the number of people using those ships.


It sounds like you haven't been playing for very long. But I have no way to know. Believe nothing that CCP says, nothing you hear in local, and half of what you see. It won't help you, but it's the best noise filter I have found.
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#348 - 2013-01-25 00:19:41 UTC
Marius Deterium wrote:
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Marius Deterium wrote:
People who play multi-player games solo are idiots.


People who complain about other people, who play their own game on the same server you use, are also idiots.


No, if you log into a massive scale multiplayer game with the intention of playing by yourself, then you are stupid. Why not just play X3?


Because we aren't the ones who are stupid? Just a question.
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#349 - 2013-01-25 00:21:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Not Politically Correct
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
(usual l33t PvP bitching-bragging about how EVE is too safe).


As usual, you left out another important part: if you burn my house, I will kill you so you don't have any chance to burn it again.

Usual troll who doesn't know who they're talking too.


Find me on a killboard, then come back and apologize for your rediculously stupid assumption, based entirely on the word under my name.


PS: That's kind of the point of burning down your house genius.

Now try and find me on a killboard.


Are you talking about a RL killboard? Don't fool yourself.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#350 - 2013-01-25 00:26:22 UTC
Tebb1288 wrote:

Except if they were worth 50% or 100% more than I would have to consider mining them. I mine in high sec. 20% more isn't enough to make me leave for lowsec. or nullsec. The increase in profit has to outweigh the risk of loss, or else it is not worth doing.

I take it you don't do anything in high sec except grief people? If you took a minute to understand why people stay in high sec you could understand what it would take to draw us out.

Also, I do have an alt to suicide gank miners. Not because it is fun, but because killing someone else mining in my belt and having that ore to myself outweighs the cost of losing that ship.


I have mined everything everywhere. Low sec is not a matter of 50% or 100%. It's a matter of being able to do it or not.

Doing in low sec means giving up on any kind of AFKing (a big factor miners appreciate a lot, to the point of mining ice instead of 400% more valued minerals).

Plus you give up on soloing and that's another big "no" factor for a casual / solo miner.

The minimal setup that worked for *us* was:

1) Go in a one entrance only quiet low sec system, away from FW routes. Not many of them.

2) Send PvP guys to scan and close down WHs.

3) Send a cloaky alt beyond the gate to warn about incoming ships. If too many came, all had to promptly dock.

4) Place from 3 to 5 ships camping the gate, depending on availability of infinipoints. Have enough people to guard the gate for the whole mining op duration.

5) Congratulations, now - if you really stay on your toes - you are relatively mining in peace on roids that are barely better than hi sec (but much larger).


As you see, you have to split the income with all those guys, you had some heavy logistics (we had to weekly organize 5-7 freighters trains for 7 low sec jumps to hi sec nearest hub, we had to field 30-50 ships to escort them).

What kind of better yield / quality / % premium would you need vs hi sec to make it worth? Certainly not just 50% nor 100%.

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Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#351 - 2013-01-25 00:30:01 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Tebb1288 wrote:

Except if they were worth 50% or 100% more than I would have to consider mining them. I mine in high sec. 20% more isn't enough to make me leave for lowsec. or nullsec. The increase in profit has to outweigh the risk of loss, or else it is not worth doing.

I take it you don't do anything in high sec except grief people? If you took a minute to understand why people stay in high sec you could understand what it would take to draw us out.

Also, I do have an alt to suicide gank miners. Not because it is fun, but because killing someone else mining in my belt and having that ore to myself outweighs the cost of losing that ship.


I have mined everything everywhere. Low sec is not a matter of 50% or 100%. It's a matter of being able to do it or not.

Doing in low sec means giving up on any kind of AFKing (a big factor miners appreciate a lot, to the point of mining ice instead of 400% more valued minerals).

Plus you give up on soloing and that's another big "no" factor for a casual / solo miner.

The minimal setup that worked for *us* was:

1) Go in a one entrance only quiet low sec system, away from FW routes. Not many of them.

2) Send PvP guys to scan and close down WHs.

3) Send a cloaky alt beyond the gate to warn about incoming ships. If too many came, all had to promptly dock.

4) Place from 3 to 5 ships camping the gate, depending on availability of infinipoints. Have enough people to guard the gate for the whole mining op duration.

5) Congratulations, now - if you really stay on your toes - you are relatively mining in peace on roids that are barely better than hi sec (but much larger).


As you see, you have to split the income with all those guys, you had some heavy logistics (we had to weekly organize 5-7 freighters trains for 7 low sec jumps to hi sec nearest hub, we had to field 30-50 ships to escort them).

What kind of better yield / quality / % premium would you need vs hi sec to make it worth? Certainly not just 50% nor 100%.


Exactly. Very well said, again. :)
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#352 - 2013-01-25 00:39:42 UTC
Demolishar wrote:
Marius Deterium wrote:
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Marius Deterium wrote:
People who play multi-player games solo are idiots.


People who complain about other people, who play their own game on the same server you use, are also idiots.


No, if you log into a massive scale multiplayer game with the intention of playing by yourself, then you are stupid. Why not just play X3?


You're assuming I want to play with people, rather than AGAINST people.



I won't get the enjoyment of being fail-hunted on a single player game.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#353 - 2013-01-25 01:13:05 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:



I won't get the enjoyment of being fail-hunted on a single player game.





Maybe not, but it might be a better place for you anyway.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#354 - 2013-01-25 01:13:12 UTC
Marius Deterium wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

I'm sure that's not his point.

It's probably more along the lines of, guys that log in and don't want to interact with anyone.


Playing against people counts as playing with them. So yes, if you log in to play against other people, then you're not stupid.

No, I'm talking about the people that log in, minimize the chat channels and try to ignore everyone else until they get popped and come to the forums to rage about freighters getting popped to much, or whatever it was he was flying.

People who log into an online game and don't want to interact with anyone.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#355 - 2013-01-25 01:14:45 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:


Are you talking about a RL killboard? Don't fool yourself.

You could at least try and be funny.
Thinking and doing are two different things.
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#356 - 2013-01-25 01:39:03 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Not Politically Correct wrote:


Are you talking about a RL killboard? Don't fool yourself.

You could at least try and be funny.
Thinking and doing are two different things.


Apparently not for goonies.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#357 - 2013-01-25 01:44:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
I'M THE MAJORITY !!


... but seriously, stop falling for him.

Again ... seek out his last post that actually contributed anything valueable,
that not just showed that the only thing he can do is insisting that he's right,
without having any actual arguments that not contradict the factual evidence,
and doesn't just display that he hates *every single one of us* and his sick belief that he's the grand superior.
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#358 - 2013-01-25 01:48:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Not Politically Correct
Solstice Project wrote:
I'M THE MAJORITY !!





Sounds a lot like "I, me my", to me. A legend in his own mind. All hail . . . whatever his name is.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#359 - 2013-01-25 01:50:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
I'M THE MAJORITY !!


... but seriously, stop falling for him.

Again ... seek out his last post that actually contributed anything
and didn't just display that he hates every single one of you and believes he's the grand superior.



Sounds a lot like "I, me my", to me. A legend in his own mind. All hail . . . whatever his name is.

All you now do is proving me right. :)


edit: sorry, i edited my post above and you responded to it before i was done.
you might want to adjust yours too. otoh, it doesn't matter.

You'll just keep proving that i'm right. That you really hate all of us and that you are far superior to any of us, because ...

... Ignorance is Strength, right ?
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#360 - 2013-01-25 01:56:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Not Politically Correct
Solstice Project wrote:


You'll just keep proving that i'm right.


I'm helping to prove that you are the majority? Hmmm.

As far as I know, you have a single personality. In order for that single personality to be the majority of players in the game, it would have to be the only one, since the only whole number less than 1 is 0. Where are you going with this? Almost all of your posts have been off topic. What are you really trying to say?