Jita Park Speakers Corner

many players think dust has a long way to go before it's got a meaningful link to eve. as you should know with your self described deep understanding of its effects, the current dust/eve link fw is literally meaningless to the ~96% of the game that doesnt participate in fw and even to that ~4% its an optional perk to make their lives a little easier - merc participation is not a requirement. please justify why you think such a trivial connection is worthy of dedicated csm representation.

with regards to eve itself:

your platform can be succinctly described as "everything in the game" so would you care to elaborate so as to address the concern that you're simply naming everything in the game as a shallow attempt to give yourself depth? you say that there is so much you can bring to the table. how about tell us? what kind of expertise do you have? what sort of experience do you have in hisec and losec and nullsec and wormholes?

thank you.

Like I said. I wasn't sure, and asked you to correct me if I was wrong.






Since you suggested I do some sleuthing, how's this?

You were not the first person to plug the enjin clan system on the dust514 forums. That honor actually goes to PDIGGY22, even if your post was a bit more thorough. Your old recruitment thread here was edited sometime after June 9th to include the enjin link.

While, you weren't trying to take credit for that, it is implied. You even plug your own corp in the telling about enjin. Again like I said in my first post : I can't blame you for that. A good recruiter is no stranger to shameless plugs. But let's be clear here : The only claim to helping the community in this thread you linked, is the consolidation of information already easily available elsewhere.

Moving on:

Suggesting that console gamers didn't have out of game methods to manage corps/clans is laughable at best. Clans have been around for decades, and game companies have never given them pretty much any support at all. The entire console clan community has been out of game since clans first became a thing! While you might've helped some up and coming CEO's with your prior experience in this, you can't lump inexperienced wannabe CEOs with 'all console players not knowing what tools are out there'. At best you used your leadership experience to give advice to a few up and comers (Which is good. I'd stick with that story tbh.) Do not make it sound like you were the guiding light to the console community though, please!






This quote right here is what gets me. I'm sure CmdrWang talks to a lot of people. That's (an unfortunate) part of his job.. being a buffer for those of us who are persistent enough to spam CCP, and hearing us out. I say us here, because I make no secret of the fact that I harass CCP constantly, the same as you. The difference between us? You'll never see me say something like "Oh I had this steamy backdoor chat with X Dev and now we have Y feature". I'm quite certain that the both of us probably annoy CCP more than anything. That said, you cannot take credit for something like this without actually being given credit by CCP. It'd be like me taking credit for Tiericide because I may or may not have talked to Ytterbium that one time. (I'd use a dust reference but seeing as this is the eve forum and all...) If it's true, that's great. I'd thank you for it. But this is a terrible thing to say because it's something you can never back up with proof. Even if you were to share chat logs, you can't say it's because you specifically said "Hey make this forum." A lot of people were pushing for things like this. People were spamming the forum for months about it! How could you say that this came about as a result of some chat you might've had? That's just silliness.

Same goes with the pushing for the recruitment thread mentioned earlier.






Despite all of the above...This one is my favorite. Shouldn't you edit this post to say "I was bringing CEO's and players to meet in June"? Because you haven't logged into this site since June 24, after looking at your account into on it and seeing your last login. The site is dead and has not been used for several months. No CEO I've poked about this has been to any UniCon meeting in months. Your c3 channel only has a total of 143 hours logged by any and all concurrent users. This thing was used maybe a couple times and then allowed to rot and die.

Do not tote something you let wither and die around as an accomplishment to be proud of, Shad.


Let me be clear to anyone reading.

I like this guy a lot. He's a great guy and he really does mean well. I'm not posting this to tear him down for the sake of it. He's ambitious, and that's to be admired. But sometimes he can be a little too ambitious and get carried away, biting off more than he can chew.

This is one of those times.

You're not ready for this Shad. Should the day come that you are, I'd happily support you.

What a tool.

Why would anyone at all openly vote for someone who's attempted to abuse an exploit in game for their own advantages? CSM members need much more integrity and much less arrogance than you have Shad, not to mention that the Dust community wouldn't vote for you based on the light you shine on Dust with your article. You're painting the very community and game you're attempting to campaign for in a very negative light.

School boy error right there along with the others, such as your BURN NEW EDEN movement bullshit ( http://dustmercs.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/will-new-eden-burn.html ) and the fact that you had to hide behind your Nameless 514 persona to speak your mind because you was too afraid to post your actual opinions on your main for fear of reprisal. Some backbone for politics eh?...

He's attempted several times to set matches up in Dust and to pay the other side to not show up or lose the match intentionally so that he can manipulate FW in EVE, it's been confirmed as an exploit by CCP several times and anyone caught doing it will get banned, they are changing the system in the next build.

So what did ZionShad do? Set up a thread on the beta forums publicly asking people to help him do it for some reason. :iiam:

For the last 6 months he's been telling everyone in Dust how important it is that Dust gets a CSM rep right away, before it's even launched and they all have to vote for him.

This is much, much more about his Ego than what's best for either community, it's been his sole reason for everything in Dust thus far unfortunately because he's done some quite good stuff in the beta community wise but every time he did something good he did 5-6 things terrible.

The thread about him going for CSM on the beta forums is pure gold and can be found right here: Even the Dust community thinks he's terrible. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=52772&find=unread

The best bit is, i've not even had to play any of the cards i have up my sleeve yet. I knew he was planning this and how terrible an idea it was but because the community's taken such a dislike to him and his antics recently i've not had to dish any real dirt yet, i can save that just in case this does by some god forsaken miracle gain some type of traction.

You should check out the link i posted in my first post about the BURN NEW EDEN thing. A couple of months ago Zion was 100% sure he could turn the entire Dust community against EVE and move the balance of power from EVE, to Dust even though Dust is designed to be reliant on EVE and play the part of EVE ISK sink.

If you check his corp history you'll see he's been around EVE for awhile but never actually really played the game till recently, what's interesting though is that all his Corps in EVE/DUST and his alliances are named after himself.. that's quite the ego.

Ahahahah will this never end?

No ASCII art, please. -ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

Part of Beta testing is pointing out the exploits. The FW system really needs to be fix. This isn’t anything along the lines of the Goon exploit. Cerebral wolf has it all wrong to be honest and it’s just a smear.

From Han's Jagerblitzen's Alt



https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=463742#post463742

I will have a full Write up on theMittani.com about the system within a week or two.

Here is the first part of it now http://themittani.com/features/dust-gamblers-are-not-mercs

I understand that a lot of eve players think dust should not or does not need a seat on csm. I disagree.

Also I don't see what harm one dust/eve candidate can do. It would be no worse than a inactive or joke candidate. Which has plagued past CSM's.

Just saying.

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