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REJOICE Citizens: War between HBC and CFC averted PAX-NULLIA!!

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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#201 - 2013-01-24 14:17:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Jenn aSide wrote:
So has anyone in this thread mentioned that TEST and Goons have reset each other and goons are actively camping Fountain and Delve killing any TEST they come across?..
oh man neutrals *gulp* shooting each other
dont see why pcgamer isnt running an article about that tbh
Skurja Volpar
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#202 - 2013-01-24 14:33:03 UTC
Suppose sighs of relief will be up in both coalitions, but I was looking forward to some 3rd person drama on the blogs and forums. This was all building up so nicely too.

What a waste of popcorn.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#203 - 2013-01-24 14:56:21 UTC
by far, the most likely outcome is a white peace: we don't want to be an empire spanning from Vale of the Silent to Delve

since most hisec publords seem to think that it'd be a wash and we'd be utterly defeated, I can only get the impression that they want a SINGLE COALITION SPANNING FROM VALE TO CATCH

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Jamyl Khanid
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#204 - 2013-01-24 15:22:30 UTC
The High Sec pubLords laugh at your conflict driven sandbox.
Proletariat Tingtango
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#205 - 2013-01-24 15:48:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Proletariat Tingtango
Zol Interbottom wrote:
Null just sounds boring, that's all I can say


Also "WE NEED TO KEEP OUR MOONGOO TO ENSURE WE CAN FUND 100 SUPERCAP HOTDROP"

Maybe that's the problem, thinking too big rome


Yeah in a game where literally nothing is free, having income is totally stupid Roll stupid CFC and HBC Roll who do these f*cksh*ts think they are? The only real, legitimate income is mining and ratting, and if you can't finance your wars on that and/or gigantic vassal corps doing it for you, you're not a real Eve Online player! Pirate

It's ok to have wealth in this game, it's really actually very productive to having fun within it. It's okay to make moongoo income a strategic resource, as it funds most of what the CFC, TEST, and Pandemic Legion does.

I know I'm personally invested in staying in deklein, and the CFC at-large is fairly invested in their sov not changing too much. That's actually OK. Nobody but Montolio and a teenaged diplomat wanted to play Roulette and see who emerged from a new foreverwar with all the tech. True motivations might be hard to ascertain if you're not inside the head of coalition and alliance leaders, or idling in the dipomacy room, but with what most people know, if you want to point a finger and blame someone for cooler heads prevailing in a war you have naught but a spectator's investment in, point it at CCP when they dropped the ball with both moongoo and sov.
Evander Armistice
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#206 - 2013-01-24 15:50:23 UTC
Andski wrote:
by far, the most likely outcome is a white peace: we don't want to be an empire spanning from Vale of the Silent to Delve

since most hisec publords seem to think that it'd be a wash and we'd be utterly defeated, I can only get the impression that they want a SINGLE COALITION SPANNING FROM VALE TO CATCH



Sorry to say this Andski because I have followed many of your posts in the past and most often respect your positions but in this instance there is very little difference to my mind between hi-sec and null-sec coalition entities: both are "risk averse".

So you are going to get into a little tiff with TEST, neither party is risking anything or losing anything. All losses can and will be replaced with moon-goo income. Both parties are blaming games mechanics for the making sov war a grind. I have heard similar rationalizations from hi-sec players that have been ganked and then blame CCP for bad game design.

Of course, you have conquered that space in the past and it is yours to use as you wish just don't look down your nose at hi-sec any longer, the contrast between 0.0 and hi-sec is not as stark as it once was.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#207 - 2013-01-24 16:17:22 UTC
Evander Armistice wrote:
Sorry to say this Andski because I have followed many of your posts in the past and most often respect your positions but in this instance there is very little difference to my mind between hi-sec and null-sec coalition entities: both are "risk averse".

So you are going to get into a little tiff with TEST, neither party is risking anything or losing anything. All losses can and will be replaced with moon-goo income. Both parties are blaming games mechanics for the making sov war a grind. I have heard similar rationalizations from hi-sec players that have been ganked and then blame CCP for bad game design.

Of course, you have conquered that space in the past and it is yours to use as you wish just don't look down your nose at hi-sec any longer, the contrast between 0.0 and hi-sec is not as stark as it once was.


and what would the individual pilot lose in an all-out sov war? it'd all be paid for with moongoo income regardless

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
CausticS0da
Shrubbery Acquisitions
Blohm and Voss Shipyards Alliance
#208 - 2013-01-24 16:24:36 UTC
The funny thing is that this thread deteriorated into a null vs high sec ragefest. It's the rank and file of the blue donut that should be complaining. Do you people play EVe wanting to fight? Or do you play to fatten the wallets of CEOs? What are the grunts gaining from the donut? Being able to rat safely?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#209 - 2013-01-24 16:30:38 UTC
CausticS0da wrote:
The funny thing is that this thread deteriorated into a null vs high sec ragefest. It's the rank and file of the blue donut that should be complaining. Do you people play EVe wanting to fight? Or do you play to fatten the wallets of CEOs? What are the grunts gaining from the donut? Being able to rat safely?


http://standings.goonfleet.com
http://standings.pleaseignore.com

we reset each other, done

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Karrl Tian
Doomheim
#210 - 2013-01-24 16:48:14 UTC
CausticS0da wrote:
The funny thing is that this thread deteriorated into a null vs high sec ragefest.


Pretty much every thread in GD does this. I could make a thread about the history of peanut butter and by page 2 highsec and null would be tearing into each other. Maybe it's because they live in the two most boring parts of the game? Then again, with all the null alts in highsec and all the highsec alts in null, can you really claim that it's two different groups and not the same group beating themselves in the head with rocks?
Ginger Barbarella
#211 - 2013-01-24 17:15:33 UTC
Posting in a Goonie alt thread...

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#212 - 2013-01-24 19:56:13 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
So has anyone in this thread mentioned that TEST and Goons have reset each other and goons are actively camping Fountain and Delve killing any TEST they come across? It's making it hard on those of us who use Fountain and Delve npc space for mission running. someone make them kiss and make up, mama needs a new pair of BPCs from cashed in Blood Raider and Serpentis LP.....



We keep mentioning the reset, but pubbies are ignoring it because it doesn't fit into there all-blue-nullsec narrative.

I also find it especially funny that some think HBC would completely trounce CFC in a full on sov war, and that half the map under HBC would some how be an improvement over the much maligned CFC/HBC pact.

My take is that a blue'd up nullsec is only bad when Goons happen to be blue too.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#213 - 2013-01-24 20:07:24 UTC
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
So has anyone in this thread mentioned that TEST and Goons have reset each other and goons are actively camping Fountain and Delve killing any TEST they come across? It's making it hard on those of us who use Fountain and Delve npc space for mission running. someone make them kiss and make up, mama needs a new pair of BPCs from cashed in Blood Raider and Serpentis LP.....



We keep mentioning the reset, but pubbies are ignoring it because it doesn't fit into there all-blue-nullsec narrative.

I also find it especially funny that some think HBC would completely trounce CFC in a full on sov war, and that half the map under HBC would some how be an improvement over the much maligned CFC/HBC pact.

My take is that a blue'd up nullsec is only bad when Goons happen to be blue too.


I wonder how many pubbies would be completely lost if you just changed corp/alliance names with the same people then show them a SOV map with none of the current names on it. Who would they hate then?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#214 - 2013-01-24 22:22:22 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
So has anyone in this thread mentioned that TEST and Goons have reset each other and goons are actively camping Fountain and Delve killing any TEST they come across? It's making it hard on those of us who use Fountain and Delve npc space for mission running. someone make them kiss and make up, mama needs a new pair of BPCs from cashed in Blood Raider and Serpentis LP.....

We keep mentioning the reset, but pubbies are ignoring it because it doesn't fit into there all-blue-nullsec narrative.

I also find it especially funny that some think HBC would completely trounce CFC in a full on sov war, and that half the map under HBC would some how be an improvement over the much maligned CFC/HBC pact.

My take is that a blue'd up nullsec is only bad when Goons happen to be blue too.

I wonder how many pubbies would be completely lost if you just changed corp/alliance names with the same people then show them a SOV map with none of the current names on it. Who would they hate then?

They would look for the mittani alts (everyone) and then hate them (again, everyone).

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#215 - 2013-01-24 22:50:41 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
So has anyone in this thread mentioned that TEST and Goons have reset each other and goons are actively camping Fountain and Delve killing any TEST they come across? It's making it hard on those of us who use Fountain and Delve npc space for mission running. someone make them kiss and make up, mama needs a new pair of BPCs from cashed in Blood Raider and Serpentis LP.....

We keep mentioning the reset, but pubbies are ignoring it because it doesn't fit into there all-blue-nullsec narrative.

I also find it especially funny that some think HBC would completely trounce CFC in a full on sov war, and that half the map under HBC would some how be an improvement over the much maligned CFC/HBC pact.

My take is that a blue'd up nullsec is only bad when Goons happen to be blue too.

I wonder how many pubbies would be completely lost if you just changed corp/alliance names with the same people then show them a SOV map with none of the current names on it. Who would they hate then?

They would look for the mittani alts (everyone) and then hate them (again, everyone).


Mittani's alt whining at mittani for not starting a war VS mittani's alt.

Gotta love pubbies.
Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
#216 - 2013-01-24 23:54:59 UTC
Nullbears, nuff said.

EvE isn't game, its style of living.
Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#217 - 2013-01-25 00:06:42 UTC
Tarvos Telesto wrote:
Nullbears, nuff said.


Yah, those lazy nullbears, who between the 2 blocs ground through some 8 regions in the past year.


If you scrubs on the sidelines are so desperate for a sov grind, go buy some SBUs and get to work. The rest of us are going to enjoy the fruits of our labors.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#218 - 2013-01-25 00:48:36 UTC
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Tarvos Telesto wrote:
Nullbears, nuff said.

Yah, those lazy nullbears, who between the 2 blocs ground through some 8 regions in the past year.

If you scrubs on the sidelines are so desperate for a sov grind, go buy some SBUs and get to work. The rest of us are going to enjoy the fruits of our labors.

Delicious SBUs.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#219 - 2013-01-25 01:06:20 UTC
Andski wrote:
but seriously if you want game content so much, we can bring both coalitions to Jita with 6000 Tornadoes

that way you hiseccers will also enjoy content that would otherwise be restricted to 0.0

Oh yeah, I'll be first in line to get podded, seriously when is Goonswarm gonna come to Jita again I wanted to see the goon fleet but missed burn jita...I just don't want to get podded by a pis s ant scrub I want to be ripped to bits by a fleet.
Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#220 - 2013-01-25 04:20:33 UTC
Evander Armistice wrote:
So you are going to get into a little tiff with TEST, neither party is risking anything or losing anything. All losses can and will be replaced with moon-goo income. Both parties are blaming games mechanics for the making sov war a grind. I have heard similar rationalizations from hi-sec players that have been ganked and then blame CCP for bad game design.


It's not even a little tiff, it's just the removal of an existing relationship.

Of course, some of us are disappointed we didn't wind up in a horrible grindy foreverwar.

Come back Molle, we need you to be terrible at Eve Online again.