Missions & Complexes

This just in...

The Machariel is the first faction ship in line to get hit with the nerf bat.

It will be hit hard.

If you have one, sell it now, while it is still worth what you paid for it.

You missed one big point.

Without really good support skills a Mack can't hit anything in a level 4 mission. I don't care what your paper DPS is. An after burner fit Mach, even with really good skills, Applies DPS far below the paper DPS you should get based on your fit.

I am not saying the mach is not an amazing ship, it certainly is. But its high DPS will do you no good if you don't have the support skills to actually land that damage.

And you are totally wrong about battleship missiles.

My Raven can one volley most frigs, all destroyers, and many cruisers, Using T2 launchers and rigor rigs.

Precision missiles may have lower paper DPS, but when paired with rigor rigs they hit for near full damage, even on small targets.

I only use fury missiles for BC's and BS's which go down plenty fast.

Missiles never miss, they can only be shot down by defenders, which only seem to work when used by NPC's. Most rats do not use defenders, so the missiles will never miss. They just take a few seconds to hit.

You can be orbiting at any distance within missile range, at any speed without if affecting you chances to hit. While a Mach orbiting with a MWD on won't hit much of anything. AB fit can hit but still not for near full damage. At least not without urber skills.

A newer player can get into a raven and successfully run level 4 missions with 8-10 million skill points. to get the same effectiveness in missions in a mach you are looking at 15-20 mil skill points, while a mach really starts to shine at over 40 mil skill points when you get all the applicable skills to 4-5.

I was flying lvl 4 missions in a raven with T2 tank and Meta 4 launchers at 8 mil skill points. It was not easy, and some missions took me over 1 hour to complete. I even lost a ship or two. But I did it, and have no regrets. I was running level 4 missions, while being not even close to sitting in a Mach, let alone being effective with it.

Being able to sit in a mach and fit it with T1 gear for a decent paper DPS does not mean you will be able to apply that DPS in missions. Not to mention you are comparing a ship worth over 1B to one you can buy for under 200M.

I have never tried a lvl 4 mission in a Rokh, But a scorpion is good for someone lacking confidence, or tanking skills.

I would say a rattlesnake has comparable mission completion times to a Mach. Paper DPS is not applied DPS. Your cheap Mach fit looks good on paper but good luck missioning with it. Personally I believe a ship that costs over 1B is well worth the investment in good faction gear. A fully T1 fit battleship will eventually get popped, do you want to lose 1B or 200M when that happens?

Damn are you dumb; let me help you:

"It's basically a Navy Domi for missile users." as in, "a ship that is very similar to a Navy Dominix, but with launcher hardpoints instead of turret hardpoints.

You are absolutely right.. it says so here and that is also why marauders with lower sensor strength's get jammed no more than other ships... try undocking one day and test it

A simple fix to this is to... make the PVE ECM mechanic mirror the PVP ECM mechanic.

Also, for E-war such as Damps and Neuts and Tracking Disruptors in missions, simply have 1 rat that does it per wave, albeit in a possibly stronger fashion.

Sensor-Boosters do buff locking range and speed, but when 7 Serpentis cruiser's are Dampening you, there is no counter.

I am doing some in a drake. It's not fast by any standard but I lack the skill to up-ship in a BS now anyway. Point is, if you are willing to do it in a BS, it really can be done if a damn BC can...

I use a CNR/Raven fit like this (add 1 launcher for CNR)

Low:
x4 BCS II
x1 Flux Coil (or something else, like a utility low slot?)

Mid:
Dread Guristas L Shield Booster
x2 Booster Amps II
3x Invuln Field T2

x6 (7) T2 Launchers, Nova Cruise Missles

Rig: 3x CCC I

Fighting Angel Rats, tanks about 510 DPS, ~3 :12min of cap (stable w/o booster) 556 Missle DPS, kills missions very fast, With faction mods it only gets better!

I'm very comfortable with L4s, so this fit works wonders. If you want, you can get a LG Crystal Set and drop one of the SBAs for a TP (If you wanna run stable tank, 3x Fluxs in low, 2 BCS II, 32 minutes of cap, pretty much stable)

I assume you mean CNR, since comparing a T1 BS to a pirate boat is beyond stupid.

Furthermore, if that statement is true, please post the mach touching 2k......or more likely, your failfit (CN) raven.


A properly fit CNR will be over 900dps with missiles alone (AND be able to apply almost all of that). Add drones (for extra paper DPS lulz) and its a hair over 1100 (I have a 5% rapid launch implant btw, couldn't be bothered taking it out).

Edit: If you takle all implants out at level 5 it tops out at 1050. Close enough for engineering. Only faction items are CN-BCU


So, please show me the comedy mach fit getting 2000+ dps with meta 0 and level 1 skills.


I'll grant you the cap issues - if you're low skilled and trying to be cap stable. Here's the thing though, when you're skilled enough you dont need cap stability because the boat blows stuff apart that damned fast.

I just wish it aligned faster