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Mister S Burke
Doomheim
#101 - 2013-01-24 21:09:37 UTC
Galadriel Vasquez wrote:
Mister S Burke wrote:
Galadriel Vasquez wrote:
What's the guy called? I will help him.


I was trying to stealthily get his name to do just that (20 million or so) and didn't get a name, since you stated why you wanted his name you will get a ton of people just trying to get free isk. Moot point now.


Well I can detect bullshits at 20 yards and didn't specify what the help was did I?


You need to tweak your BS detector then, everything isn't BS. I've been around the world and you won't get anywhere thinking everything is a fraud/scam or BS. You have to learn to sort the sharks from the minnows or you are in just as much trouble as the person that is trusting everyone. I've been playing a little over a month and I have about 250 million, it's not that hard people so yeah 20 million is no big deal for some good will.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#102 - 2013-01-24 21:12:42 UTC
I have lost 40 000 000 ISK in the first 14 days of this game to a scam. No one gave a **** about that, and me either. HTFU and L2P. Pirate tricked me into attacking his little ship and he got back with friends, he said he will stop shoting my ship for 300 000 000 ISK, and i believed, he grabbed the money and destroyed ship worth 500 000 000 ISK, I was like, oh well, better never do that again.

Will you cry?

Will you give me ISK?

Hold on, I don't need it, and never will. I have been like HTFU, and it worked.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Flakey Foont
#103 - 2013-01-24 21:13:45 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
KaarBaak wrote:
Corey Fumimasa wrote:

PLEX is not like other in game items, it needs different management tools is all.


I have found the flaw in your logic chain. The above statement is incorrect.

PLEX is an in-game virtual item...just like a 1MN Afterburner.

KB

Would it affect your game negatively if PLEX were changed from an in game item to one that is managed from accounts? I think that would solve a lot of problems.



Yes it would.
Galadriel Vasquez
Project Omega Industries
Fraternity.
#104 - 2013-01-24 21:17:14 UTC
I mean that I am good at filtering bullshits in regard to your aformentioned concern that as I had proffered help to the individual I would get "it was me" begging attempts.

Don't worry about me - worry about our games poor newbs!

I have tin foil hat trained to 5.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#105 - 2013-01-24 21:24:53 UTC
Galadriel Vasquez wrote:
I mean that I am good at filtering bullshits in regard to your aformentioned concern that as I had proffered help to the individual I would get "it was me" begging attempts.

Don't worry about me - worry about our games poor newbs!


Generally speaking, nubs don't make this kind of mistake.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#106 - 2013-01-24 21:29:46 UTC
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
I have lost 40 000 000 ISK in the first 14 days of this game to a scam. No one gave a **** about that, and me either. HTFU and L2P. Pirate tricked me into attacking his little ship and he got back with friends, he said he will stop shoting my ship for 300 000 000 ISK, and i believed, he grabbed the money and destroyed ship worth 500 000 000 ISK, I was like, oh well, better never do that again.

Will you cry?

Will you give me ISK?

Hold on, I don't need it, and never will. I have been like HTFU, and it worked.


I ddin't give this kid any ISK and I wouldn't give you any. The game should have room for all kinds of scams and attacks against others. Eve is a PvP game and I will happily take your items in game.

But what if the pirate said "send me 40$ via paypal or I will blow up your ship!"

This is a problem of degrees, PLEX is too close to real money to be an in-game item. Just like someones account and credit information. Using a mickey mouse cartoon market to carry out real monetary transactions is not working, because real monetary transactions require real world security.

The idea of using the in game markets to support ftp is brilliant and something that needs to stay. It just needs to be done in a way that uses RW tools to protect the financial transaction.
Galadriel Vasquez
Project Omega Industries
Fraternity.
#107 - 2013-01-24 21:29:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Galadriel Vasquez
CoolIts like the guy saying he had a 40 mill loss inside 14 days of starting - BS.

I have tin foil hat trained to 5.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#108 - 2013-01-24 21:32:44 UTC
Flakey Foont wrote:



Yes it would.


How? What are your concerns?
KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
#109 - 2013-01-24 21:35:39 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
KaarBaak wrote:
Corey Fumimasa wrote:

PLEX is not like other in game items, it needs different management tools is all.


I have found the flaw in your logic chain. The above statement is incorrect.

PLEX is an in-game virtual item...just like a 1MN Afterburner.

KB

Would it affect your game negatively if PLEX were changed from an in game item to one that is managed from accounts? I think that would solve a lot of problems.


Wouldn't affect MY game one iota. However, I am not the type of person to request widespread, fundamental game changes in order to accomodate a handful of players who cannot fend for themselves.

KB

Dum Spiro Spero
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#110 - 2013-01-24 21:41:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
Quote:
But what if the pirate said "send me 40$ via paypal or I will blow up your ship!"


I would give him my middle finger. Real money is real money. And i learned, that you don't have real money in this game, even PLEX isn't real money. Its game item and can be traded, you can steal it, you can do everything with it in game, but you can't exchange it for money. It would be RMT.


PLEX is game item, not money, deal with it. The whole game is just what it is - a game, and i realised it when the pirate looked for loot in my wreck. The whole point to HTFU is to do what you want despite the problems, to think and stay vigilant, to achieve your goal in game finally. RW is real money, PLEX is just game item.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Darvaleth Sigma
Imperial Security Hegemony
#111 - 2013-01-24 21:42:19 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Some kid was just on help saying that he tried to sell a PLEX and another player convod him and got the kid to just do an in station swap. Is that frowned upon? And does CCP do anything to discourage it?

Just curious, I felt kind of bad about the story. The kid was like "my mom bought it for my birthday =-(

It was awful!


Was I the only one who thought perhaps this kid was scamming all of help chat....?

Give a man a match and you warm him for a day.

Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life!
Galadriel Vasquez
Project Omega Industries
Fraternity.
#112 - 2013-01-24 21:46:38 UTC
Possible. My opinion is he is on the level.

I have tin foil hat trained to 5.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#113 - 2013-01-24 21:50:21 UTC
KaarBaak wrote:
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
KaarBaak wrote:
Corey Fumimasa wrote:

PLEX is not like other in game items, it needs different management tools is all.


I have found the flaw in your logic chain. The above statement is incorrect.

PLEX is an in-game virtual item...just like a 1MN Afterburner.

KB

Would it affect your game negatively if PLEX were changed from an in game item to one that is managed from accounts? I think that would solve a lot of problems.


Wouldn't affect MY game one iota. However, I am not the type of person to request widespread, fundamental game changes in order to accomodate a handful of players who cannot fend for themselves.

KB


This is a forum thread with a few hundred hits, it is hardly a venue with a lot of weight behind it.

I am bothered by an in game dynamic that I feel would be better managed out of game. And wanted to talk a bit about it. If I could press a button right now and make the changes that I have suggested I would not do it. I have no clue how things work at CCP or how you would go about implementing such a change, or what the effects of that change would be.

I spout ideas and analyze them with other players because I enjoy doing so, not because I expect CCP to copy all of them down and have them implemented by the next patch.

It would be great If a mod or dev reads this and thinks 'well maybe it is something we should look at." But I'm not going to stop playing if they don't.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#114 - 2013-01-24 21:53:53 UTC
Darvaleth Sigma wrote:
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Some kid was just on help saying that he tried to sell a PLEX and another player convod him and got the kid to just do an in station swap. Is that frowned upon? And does CCP do anything to discourage it?

Just curious, I felt kind of bad about the story. The kid was like "my mom bought it for my birthday =-(

It was awful!


Was I the only one who thought perhaps this kid was scamming all of help chat....?


He may well have been. Yet another reason to move PLEX to a bidding house on the account management page. If he had come to help complaining about losing a ship no one would have cared.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#115 - 2013-01-24 21:57:29 UTC
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
Quote:
But what if the pirate said "send me 40$ via paypal or I will blow up your ship!"


I would give him my middle finger. Real money is real money. And i learned, that you don't have real money in this game, even PLEX isn't real money. Its game item and can be traded, you can steal it, you can do everything with it in game, but you can't exchange it for money. It would be RMT.


PLEX is game item, not money, deal with it. The whole game is just what it is - a game, and i realised it when the pirate looked for loot in my wreck. The whole point to HTFU is to do what you want despite the problems, to think and stay vigilant, to achieve your goal in game finally. RW is real money, PLEX is just game item.


Fair enough. Would you have any problems if PLEX were removed as an in game item? Assuming that there is another way to use ISK to pay for game time.
KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
#116 - 2013-01-24 22:06:40 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:

This is a forum thread with a few hundred hits, it is hardly a venue with a lot of weight behind it.

I am bothered by an in game dynamic that I feel would be better managed out of game. And wanted to talk a bit about it. If I could press a button right now and make the changes that I have suggested I would not do it. I have no clue how things work at CCP or how you would go about implementing such a change, or what the effects of that change would be.

I spout ideas and analyze them with other players because I enjoy doing so, not because I expect CCP to copy all of them down and have them implemented by the next patch.

It would be great If a mod or dev reads this and thinks 'well maybe it is something we should look at." But I'm not going to stop playing if they don't.


I get what you mean, but PLEX used to have a "special" status and CCP made the decision to relegate them to "in-game item" and I figure they did all of the legal and financial analysis necessary when they made that choice.

KB

Dum Spiro Spero
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#117 - 2013-01-24 22:08:17 UTC
KaarBaak wrote:
Corey Fumimasa wrote:

This is a forum thread with a few hundred hits, it is hardly a venue with a lot of weight behind it.

I am bothered by an in game dynamic that I feel would be better managed out of game. And wanted to talk a bit about it. If I could press a button right now and make the changes that I have suggested I would not do it. I have no clue how things work at CCP or how you would go about implementing such a change, or what the effects of that change would be.

I spout ideas and analyze them with other players because I enjoy doing so, not because I expect CCP to copy all of them down and have them implemented by the next patch.

It would be great If a mod or dev reads this and thinks 'well maybe it is something we should look at." But I'm not going to stop playing if they don't.


I get what you mean, but PLEX used to have a "special" status and CCP made the decision to relegate them to "in-game item" and I figure they did all of the legal and financial analysis necessary when they made that choice.

KB


That doesn't mean they were right then, or that things haven't changed enough to look again
Maxpie
MUSE LLP
#118 - 2013-01-24 22:11:16 UTC
Did the scam occur because the kid mis-read the isk amount in the trade window, or was it the trade window bug/trick (if that even still works)? If the latter, then the kid should be reimbursed and the scammer punished. Abuse of a faulty interface is not a legitimate scam imo.

No good deed goes unpunished
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#119 - 2013-01-24 22:19:43 UTC
Quote:
Fair enough. Would you have any problems if PLEX were removed as an in game item? Assuming that there is another way to use ISK to pay for game time.


For me no, But for others yes. They could not trade it for ISK on market when it would be removed, for as much ISK as the player is willing to pay for it, that's important, And players could not loot it, nor steal it.
It should stay as game item. Important game item.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#120 - 2013-01-24 22:20:20 UTC
KaarBaak wrote:
Wouldn't affect MY game one iota. However, I am not the type of person to request widespread, fundamental game changes in order to accomodate a handful of players who cannot fend for themselves.

Maybe you should, if that player is yourself, or better yet, yourself as a player that dcan't be bothered to fend for yourself.

Nerf bumping, nerf ganking, buff freighters.

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