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Guess what? Solo players ARE the majority in EVE.

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Bud Austrene
Secure Haven
#321 - 2013-01-24 20:32:47 UTC
Perceived risk vs perceived rewards is what motivates me to play semi-solo and in high sec.
I believe that is everyone's motivations for playing the way they do.

For some, the sense of accomplishment that i get for soloing difficult content, has no value and say that i am dumb to do it the hard way. But i get a lot of satisfaction out of knowing I can soloing things like the Lvl 4 Angel Extravaganza mission bonus room.
It would certainly go faster and easier if i invited a few friends.

But it is not just about the isk or loyalty points it is about playing the game.
The challenge is such that the accomplishment has value to me.

I like the game the way it is but would not mind if there were more content that required finesse intead

Yes I am an alt. I see no reason to make it easy for bullies and greifers

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#322 - 2013-01-24 20:41:33 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
(usual l33t PvP bitching-bragging about how EVE is too safe).


As usual, you left out another important part: if you burn my house, I will kill you so you don't have any chance to burn it again.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#323 - 2013-01-24 20:48:20 UTC
Newt Rondanse wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:

Why would you think you're playing EVE wrong? I am a mostly PVE player who plays in high low and null so (unlike you) I am familiar with a broad spectrum of PVE earning capabilities.

You're not playing wrong, you're simply doing forum posting wrong lol. Why comment on something you know you don't have any information on? I've simpyl corrected your provably incorrect notions about a place you admit knowing nothing about? That doesn't show much common sense is all I'm saying.



Well, the only thing I got wrong in my original post was how much a reasonable nullsec ratting ship would cost.

I'd seen the 55M/tick claim before (a lot), and figured that a half-billion isk ship would be able to get a significant portion of that for a well-skilled character. I guess I was wrong there.

So, what's your take on the need for a place where people can fail at EvE without being pushed out of the game completely?


High Sec already exists.

Kidding aside, The whole game is a place where people can and do fail (I know i do, like the time i auto piloted an empty frieghter to jita and went to sleep......

.....without bother to check if my alliance at the time was war-decced.......

But a game that calls itself hardcore should never promote failure. Failure in eve comes at a steep cost, and that's part of what makes EVE great. It's sad that some people don't accept that.
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#324 - 2013-01-24 20:48:52 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
(usual l33t PvP bitching-bragging about how EVE is too safe).


As usual, you left out another important part: if you burn my house, I will kill you so you don't have any chance to burn it again.


That might be considered anti-social behavior, but that's also what I would do.
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#325 - 2013-01-24 21:02:16 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:


But a game that calls itself hardcore should never promote failure. Failure in eve comes at a steep cost, and that's part of what makes EVE great. It's sad that some people don't accept that.


The problem is that a failure early on drives a lot of people away. Suppose you have a Trial Account and you are doing tutorials, and you get your first real frigate. You undock and have an instance of non-consensual PvP.

You've got nothing invested in the game except hopes. What incentive is there to try and find out if you could be the most successful Eve player ever, in whatever field you choose?

I'm not sure what I would have done if I had lost my first real ship on my first day in the game. They didn't have the "This Is How To Lose A Ship' tutorial then.
Newt Rondanse
Magnificent Mayhem Mining
#326 - 2013-01-24 21:05:46 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Newt Rondanse wrote:

So, what's your take on the need for a place where people can fail at EvE without being pushed out of the game completely?


High Sec already exists.

Kidding aside, The whole game is a place where people can and do fail (I know i do, like the time i auto piloted an empty frieghter to jita and went to sleep......

.....without bother to check if my alliance at the time was war-decced.......

But a game that calls itself hardcore should never promote failure. Failure in eve comes at a steep cost, and that's part of what makes EVE great. It's sad that some people don't accept that.

I think that's mostly the point of highsec, and the point of the way NPC faction content is setup.

Even if someone fails at the game completely they can pick themselves back up in pretty short order.
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#327 - 2013-01-24 21:07:30 UTC
Newt Rondanse wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Newt Rondanse wrote:

So, what's your take on the need for a place where people can fail at EvE without being pushed out of the game completely?


High Sec already exists.

Kidding aside, The whole game is a place where people can and do fail (I know i do, like the time i auto piloted an empty frieghter to jita and went to sleep......

.....without bother to check if my alliance at the time was war-decced.......

But a game that calls itself hardcore should never promote failure. Failure in eve comes at a steep cost, and that's part of what makes EVE great. It's sad that some people don't accept that.

I think that's mostly the point of highsec, and the point of the way NPC faction content is setup.

Even if someone fails at the game completely they can pick themselves back up in pretty short order.


Only if they want to. Only if they didn't lose the desire to play this particular game.
Dave Stark
#328 - 2013-01-24 21:20:49 UTC
Tebb1288 wrote:
Except if they were worth 50% or 100% more than I would have to consider mining them. I mine in high sec. 20% more isn't enough to make me leave for lowsec. or nullsec. The increase in profit has to outweigh the risk of loss, or else it is not worth doing.

I take it you don't do anything in high sec except grief people? If you took a minute to understand why people stay in high sec you could understand what it would take to draw us out.

Also, I do have an alt to suicide gank miners. Not because it is fun, but because killing someone else mining in my belt and having that ore to myself outweighs the cost of losing that ship.


except, you wouldn't consider mining in low sec. you'd go to null sec since it's safer due to the nature of grav sites in industry upgraded systems before we even get on to intel channels etc.

i live in high sec, i know exactly why i'm there. unwardeccable easily afkable isk comparable to null sec mining without the hassle.
i would go to null sec if it was worth it, and even with their ores already being worth 20% more than our high sec ores it isn't worth going.

the fact that low sec ores are in 0.0 and 0.0 being virtually infinitely safer than low sec means nobody will take low sec seriously for mining. you'd just find yourself a null sec corp, enjoy that 50% extra profit, and never worry about incurring a loss. all you'd "pay" for that 50% profitability is jumping in to an established 0.0 corp and using their logistics chain.

the problem isn't really to do with the profitability of ores in regards to low sec mining, it's just that low sec is a **** environment to mine in.
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#329 - 2013-01-24 21:25:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Not Politically Correct
Dave Stark wrote:


the problem isn't really to do with the profitability of ores in regards to low sec mining, it's just that low sec is a **** environment to mine in.


In my half-vast experience, the only sensible use for Low Sec is as a pathway to Null Sec. :)
Dave Stark
#330 - 2013-01-24 21:32:52 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:


the problem isn't really to do with the profitability of ores in regards to low sec mining, it's just that low sec is a **** environment to mine in.


In my half-vast experience, the only sensible use for Low Sec is as a pathway to Null Sec. :)


i wouldn't disagree with this comment. then again, there are places where high sec goes directly to null. pretty sure i accidentally stumbled across one when going from scalding pass to jita once.
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#331 - 2013-01-24 21:58:26 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:


i wouldn't disagree with this comment. then again, there are places where high sec goes directly to null. pretty sure i accidentally stumbled across one when going from scalding pass to jita once.


More fool me. I always did Scalding Pass to Sasta. Oh well. Big smile
Dave Stark
#332 - 2013-01-24 22:01:59 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:


i wouldn't disagree with this comment. then again, there are places where high sec goes directly to null. pretty sure i accidentally stumbled across one when going from scalding pass to jita once.


More fool me. I always did Scalding Pass to Sasta. Oh well. Big smile


i accidentally stumbled across it when i was messing around with the auto pilot between shortest and safest.

i think i ended up with a handful of jumps in null and a handful in high with the null to high gate, or a longer route where there were a small amount of jumps in null, a few in low, and the rest in high.

came down to "if you do more jumps in null sec you'll have less jumps in total" which i didn't mind, because jumps through low sec were just as likely to be camped so the fewer total non-empire jumps was appealing.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#333 - 2013-01-24 22:28:25 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
the problem isn't really to do with the profitability of ores in regards to low sec mining, it's just that low sec is a **** environment to mine in.

Agree with this. Lowsec could use some nice toys.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Marius Deterium
Crush Kill Destroy
#334 - 2013-01-24 22:30:20 UTC
People who play multi-player games solo are idiots.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#335 - 2013-01-24 22:36:18 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Kidding aside, The whole game is a place where people can and do fail (I know i do, like the time i auto piloted an empty frieghter to jita and went to sleep......

.....without bother to check if my alliance at the time was war-decced.......

Your only failure was not using a freighter alt in an undecable NPC corp. Please, make full use of the mechanics that CCP has seen best to provide you with.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#336 - 2013-01-24 22:48:10 UTC
Marius Deterium wrote:
People who play multi-player games solo are idiots.


People who complain about other people, who play their own game on the same server you use, are also idiots.
Davith en Divalone
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#337 - 2013-01-24 22:51:34 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:


But a game that calls itself hardcore should never promote failure. Failure in eve comes at a steep cost, and that's part of what makes EVE great. It's sad that some people don't accept that.


The problem is that a failure early on drives a lot of people away. Suppose you have a Trial Account and you are doing tutorials, and you get your first real frigate. You undock and have an instance of non-consensual PvP.


I thought I read somewhere that griefing trial accounts and people in tutorial systems was one of the few no-nos of this game.

And I suspect that suicide ganks of cheaply-fitted frigates are relatively rare. There's no profit in it, and I've read no screeds promoting it. For that matter, suicide ganks of transport and mining vessels appear to be uncommon compared to the number of people using those ships.
Marius Deterium
Crush Kill Destroy
#338 - 2013-01-24 22:56:57 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Marius Deterium wrote:
People who play multi-player games solo are idiots.


People who complain about other people, who play their own game on the same server you use, are also idiots.


No, if you log into a massive scale multiplayer game with the intention of playing by yourself, then you are stupid. Why not just play X3?
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#339 - 2013-01-24 23:14:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Natsett Amuinn
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
(usual l33t PvP bitching-bragging about how EVE is too safe).


As usual, you left out another important part: if you burn my house, I will kill you so you don't have any chance to burn it again.

Usual troll who doesn't know who they're talking too.


Find me on a killboard, then come back and apologize for your rediculously stupid assumption, based entirely on the word under my name.


PS: That's kind of the point of burning down your house genius.

Now try and find me on a killboard.
Demolishar
United Aggression
#340 - 2013-01-24 23:18:48 UTC
Marius Deterium wrote:
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Marius Deterium wrote:
People who play multi-player games solo are idiots.


People who complain about other people, who play their own game on the same server you use, are also idiots.


No, if you log into a massive scale multiplayer game with the intention of playing by yourself, then you are stupid. Why not just play X3?


You're assuming I want to play with people, rather than AGAINST people.