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RoaK Varr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-01-24 21:21:22 UTC
I have the skills to use several systems... where are they mounted on a ship? In the riggs slot or are these for TECH 3 ships or something?

thanks in advance....
Ildryn
IDLE INTENTIONS
#2 - 2013-01-24 21:22:28 UTC
RoaK Varr wrote:
I have the skills to use several systems... where are they mounted on a ship? In the riggs slot or are these for TECH 3 ships or something?

thanks in advance....


Tech 3 ships only.
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2013-01-24 22:29:28 UTC
Sub Systems are the modular components that determine the characteristics of the applicable Tech3 cruisers. (Not to be confused with Tier3) The different choices made when you set up the ships sub set out things like bonuses, weapon hard points, pg/cpu. The subs can the be interchanged like any other fitted item and completely change the role of the ship. But it all comes at a price. Not only are T3 expensive to setup and fly, but if you lose the ship you lose skill points as well.
Mr Floydy
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#4 - 2013-01-25 09:56:35 UTC
You train things without even knowing what they are for? :/
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#5 - 2013-01-25 10:00:31 UTC
10/10 :DDDD

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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-01-25 10:14:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Barrogh Habalu
I wish I could fill rig slot of my ship with a thing that provides +50% armour hitpoints, equivalent of 3-4 hardeners with no stacking penalties, two additional lowslots and the like. Or something along the lines.

I would train that without doing further research too.

Though I feel that poster above is right.

Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
RoaK Varr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-01-25 15:12:18 UTC  |  Edited by: RoaK Varr
Thank you to all whom answered my question.

A while back a Corp mate of mine gave me the (2) skill books and since it only takes minutes to train to level 1 I put them in my skills. We all play the game the way we want to and for the longest time I wasn't too obsessed with a long range goal as far as skill training went. Things change with time and I was doing a skills review last night of my character so I was wondering about those skills and systems.

I mostly mission run, rat with frigates (for fun) and salvage in the game. I've pretty much trained up to Tech 2 on all weapons systems (turret and launchers) from large on down, shield stuff, propulsion and targeting. I’m interested in doing incursions so I’m now focusing my training to run a Tengu someday.
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-01-25 15:43:14 UTC
RoaK Varr wrote:
I mostly mission run, rat with frigates (for fun) and salvage in the game. I've pretty much trained up to Tech 2 on all weapons systems (turret and launchers) from large on down, shield stuff, propulsion and targeting. I’m interested in doing incursions so I’m now focusing my training to run a Tengu someday.

That said, Tengu isn't the best ship for incursions.
Even though people will take them in fleet sometimes, preference goes to turret battleships. As far as T3s go, Lokis and Legions are more welcome (both in shield and armor fleets).

Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#9 - 2013-01-25 18:25:35 UTC
Missile ships are bad in incursions.

Don't defend them, turret ships actively laugh when they see missile ships.
RoaK Varr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-01-26 04:37:43 UTC
How about the Rokh for a turret battleship in incursions? I can mount tech 2 rails or blasters...
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-01-26 04:55:49 UTC
RoaK Varr wrote:
How about the Rokh for a turret battleship in incursions? I can mount tech 2 rails or blasters...


Rokhs don't get in decent fleets. They want pimpboats - nm, bhaal, vindi, mach, etc. Failing that, get a Mael, it's much more likely to be accepted than Rokh.

A cheap boat to get in decent fleets is navy geddon, pack a flight of 5 sentries in addition to light/med for 1300 dps. At only ~70 mil higher than Mael/Abaddon, it gives excellent gank per isk, and is the minimum most pimpfleets will accept. Isk/hr gap between pimpfleets and noobfleets can be quite large, so try to get into the former whenever possible.
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2013-01-26 12:11:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Barrogh Habalu
Maeltstome wrote:
Missile ships are bad in incursions.

Don't defend them, turret ships actively laugh when they see missile ships.

True, but people sometimes even accept Ravens, then try to shoehorn them into HQ structure gring and whatnot - something they don't completely suck at. Sad sight though.

sabre906 wrote:
Rokhs don't get in decent fleets. They want pimpboats - nm, bhaal, vindi, mach, etc. Failing that, get a Mael, it's much more likely to be accepted than Rokh.

QFT, though you can still try with your Rokh. True, good fleets won't probably accept it, but some will, and at that point your income will probably be better than many other things you can do in hisec with your ship.

Upgrading to something pimp (in your case Nightmare will probably be shortest train) will definitely improve your performance and your ability to get into fleets. First modules to pimp out then are webs (the rule is pretty much "Federation Navy or similar or GTFO") and damage mods. Everything else is pimped if you can save slots by doing that (for example, upgrading tank rigs and some modules can free up a slot previously used for tank for damage in case of armor ship or tracking/whatever for shield ship) or if you have too much ISK (at some point it will be the case if you don't have better ways to spend incursion income).

Oh, and I think I don't have to remind you that you should treat your pimp boat (once you will have it) with care while moving from incursion to incursion and whatnot - pirates won't be sleeping Blink

T2 guns help a lot, but only required in higher-end communities/fleets. Others will be fine with meta4s.

Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
Josef Djugashvilis
#13 - 2013-01-27 01:06:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis
Mr Floydy wrote:
You train things without even knowing what they are for? :/


I trained and bought the Gallente Bomber (can't even remember its name) Shocked because it looks nice.

I have absolutely no idea how to use one.

I flew it for about 10 minutes in total just to look at it.

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RoaK Varr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-01-30 19:59:04 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Mr Floydy wrote:
You train things without even knowing what they are for? :/


I trained and bought the Gallente Bomber (can't even remember its name) Shocked because it looks nice.

I have absolutely no idea how to use one.

I flew it for about 10 minutes in total just to look at it.


I bought the new Caldari destroyer becouse I like the U-boat look. It's like a mini Drake...LOL

I pimped it out with all T2 stuff and it's actully a nice little ship. It blows through level II misisons and is fun to rat in.
Otrebla Utrigas
Iberians
#15 - 2013-01-31 10:04:42 UTC
RoaK Varr wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Mr Floydy wrote:
You train things without even knowing what they are for? :/


I trained and bought the Gallente Bomber (can't even remember its name) Shocked because it looks nice.

I have absolutely no idea how to use one.

I flew it for about 10 minutes in total just to look at it.


I bought the new Caldari destroyer becouse I like the U-boat look. It's like a mini Drake...LOL

I pimped it out with all T2 stuff and it's actully a nice little ship. It blows through level II misisons and is fun to rat in.


Me too, but the problem is I already have a caracal for that role, or a hawk if i want something smaller.

But since I have bought it, I'm using for ratting and gang PvP. Not the most optimal ship for it, but is fun anyway.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-01-31 12:03:47 UTC
Obvious stuff because it's obvious:

Train all cruisers at 5

Train all subsystems/strategic cruisers skills

Train all medium guns up to spec 5

Train those core skills on top for Cruiser/Battlecruiser sized hulls

After this you can laugh at balance and just pick whatever the omgfckinpwnmobile is the best at the moment.

10/10 however Lol

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Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-01-31 17:21:13 UTC
I trained for mining barges, how do I have to use them? I can not put guns or missile launchers on them?Shocked
Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-02-01 00:09:06 UTC
but you can stack sebos on a retriever and drop two neuts for insta lock goodness. also bait skiffs!

Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
Vervz
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2013-02-01 12:03:16 UTC
Can someone briefly explain as to why you lose SP when you die in a Tech III ship?