Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I did play with it and found it lacking for pvp, there will always be more damage types and module does worse than EANM. I like the idea but i think it needs a lot more work, and i have absolutely no idea how to fix it.

I think the 2.0 title was giving people the false impression that CCP will try to tie a bow on armor and leave it alone for years after this patch. Which is not even remotely the case, although I can understand the fear.

Let's be honest. When RAH appear it was terrible (1% per activation 10 sec cycle). Now its better but with ridiculous skill (-10% cycle and -5% cap need) its only useful on BS (and sometimes not even on BS). It eating cap realy fast ( 6\s, for example hardner eat 1,5 cap\s ) and it gives 30\30% after 3 cycle if you are get shots from 2 source. Yeah it works like damage control (no stacking penalty) but with that cap appetite its horrible. I better fit EANM.

Maybe it need redesign? For example it will consume ~30-40 cap per activation with 8 (to 4 if skill 5) sec cycle and gives +10\20\30 (12,5\25\37,5 overheat)% of all resist per activation (not only after you get hit) and after 5 activation it will be shut down for 20 sec.
Or significant increase cap per activation (60-200) and make it free from shut down.

So it will be like invul adaptive for shield but pilot need to track his status for activate it (when he become primary or smth like that. So it require pilot "skill" to manipulate his own survival, not just: "i turn on all my resist becuase they cap stable" ).

Or i dont know. But usual you havnt 15-20 sec for "wait! my resist switching!"

RAH uses cap, far too much even at lvl5 skill and yet another skill we had to train for something with little use for the average pilot.

You see there's only one kind of Armor tanking that has some sense: buffer one

When it comes to active tanking you find out most of those ships and specially in Gallente lineup have 6 low slots, active armor tank mods are extremely cap hungry and do not cover enough the resist profile so you have to fit plates on top of it. This is where active tanking becomes a lol mix of silly stuff.
Minimal decent resist profile requires at least 1 explo hardener, 2 energized adaptive and a DCU, this makes already 4 slots.
Now you're fitting active tank rigs and decreasing your available PG (aka new drawback), have to fit 1 lol armor rep and eventually new lol AAR.
You haven't added a single plate yet and now you're going to fight with your fitting window to fit your guns in your ship. Those guns eat big chunks of cap when firing...also.

Now instead of fighting with yourself to fit something like that, just pick your 4 med slots armor ship, slap some shield rigs mwd LSE 1 invuln and 1 hardener. Now you have 6 low slots for a DCU 3MFS 2TE or eventually 2MFS 2TE 1nano

You get a decent tank but jesus your dps is just insane (if someone fit armor mods in to his Talos he's an idiot), that's exactly what you need with active armor tank: be light, just enough tank and omgfckin dps with highest tier weapons.

I still have a question for Fozzie, why bring new mods and skills when the very first problem of this tanking mode is it's bad design and philosophy? -why keep trying to patch something wrong from the beginning when the best thing to do it is start it from the scratch?

Give me a reason to not fit shield modules to my ship other than nerf it's slots. Make active armor tanking something you want because your ship is designed for and gives you for your isk.

Isn't enough to see shield Brutix, shield Myrmidons, Shield Megas and Hypes/Domis even frigs being waaaaaaay better shield tanked than armor tanked?
I want my armor ship to be as good as I can make it with shield mods and this is not because shield tanking mods are OP, but because active armor tanking is really really the poor minded mans choice.

All this brainstorm does not help PvE.

For T1 to T2 (including all named stuff):
If you compare small rep v small booster the results are near equal.
If you compare med rep v med booster the results are near equal.
If you compare large rep v large booster the results are near equal.

But now we have a problem!
Noone uses small booster at frigs, med booster at cruiser/BC or large booster at BS! Everyone ALLWAYS use the oversized moduls!

And suddenly you get a HUGE advanatage by shield boosting over armor rep :(.

And there is a second problem!
Deepspace boosters are by FAR better then deepspace reppers!
Centum A-Type med rep: 468 armor / 12 sec = 39 armor/sec
Pithum A-Type med boost: 228 shield / 3 sec = 76 shield/sec

And as noone fit a med booster at let's say a Tengu but only large boosters this both problems sum up.
Pith A-Type large boost: 312 shield /3.2 sec = 97.8 shield/sec
Pith X-Type large boost: 336 shield/3.2 sec = 105 shield/sec

BEFORE RESITENCES AND SHIP BONIS !!!!!

How can a Legion with usual fitted MED REP (39 armor/sec) compet against Tengus usual fitted LARGE BOOSTER (105 shield/sec) this way?
It is simply IMPOSIBLE to get a armor tank compareble to the values of a shield tank :(.

TL:TR
Problem 1: fitting cost for oversized moduls
Problem 2: pure power of same size shield moduls

Before you bring any new moduls CCP, fix the existing one!!!

Dont forget shield Harbingers or dual ASB mission Apocalypse Navy Issue.

Indeed but well Amarr isn't that much affected or at least uses something worthwhile training:resists

Of course not all lineup is a megaton EHP space brick shooting with pulse+scorch at rails range, but the little + that make this kind of tanking interesting is the sum of effective mods/ship bonus/weapon system making this tanking system really shine.

ITS WATTS. GIGA WATTS.

This, seriously, I've thought about it and although I like the idea of the AAR, what your essentially doing is making regular armour reps completely obsolete because the new AAR is just so much better in every way and the disparity is greater than even ASB and regular shield boosters since I've actually stopped using ASB's on my cyclone.

You don't fix the current problems with active armour tanking (speed (which your addressing), fitting issues (which your making worse), rep amount (which your ignoring completely, especially true with MARs) and cargo hold for cap boosters (your not addressing, you need to make boosters smaller) by introducing a new module to make the old one obsolete in everything but PVE (and seriously who armour tanks for pve...).

Pretty well you've come up with an idea and thought "HEY THIS IS SOOO COOL" and then completely ignored current balancing issues in favour of pushing out new "exciting" modules. I mean you even do things like make the new Cyclone have a SMALLER wtf? cargo bay, presumably because cap 200s and 400s for large and xl asb's are so small, but your completely ignoring the fact that you can only fit 15-16 navy 800's when your using a regular booster.

As for adding new skills being ok because "you'll get most of the benefit at lvl2-3" is just plain bullshit. If plates add too much inertia, reduce that, don't introduce a skill to do it.

Support skills were the single biggest turn off to this game when I started and I'm pretty sure it remains the same for new players (a few months old), that and the ****** boring missions.

TLDR fix the bloody problems with current armour tanking and rigs, go live, rebalance, introduce new modules, rebalance, job done. Oh btw, when's my Arazu getting the same damp bonus as the Celestis, since my rapier and my curse both had their ewar bonuses changed to match the t1 changes, or are you so caught up frothing over your new modules you simply forgot?

Edit,
Bitches whinging about the price of nanite paste need to be better at making isk, seriously, if your that worried about the price of paste you should make your own (like I do) or stop pvp'ing because you clearly can't afford it. Paste instead of boosters for the extra sauce repping is the one change Fozzies made that I actually think is awesome.

It's rubbish. Cap use is too high if you train the skill, change rate is too slow if you don't, not enough differentiation between levels of incoming damage types, doesn't alter once it peaks if damage type changes (you have to manually reset it which rather defeats it's autonamous nature). I liked the idea, much like the AAR but the module and skill we were given were a long way from the paradigm and largely useless in-game.