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Corey Fumimasa

CFM Salvage

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#61 - 2013-01-24 19:26:17 UTC | Edited by: Corey Fumimasa

Mai Khumm wrote:

Apperently everyone doesn't read the EULA, ESP the part that says, "Everything contained within is the sole property of CCP Games"

So, every ship/bullet/module/drone and *gasp* PLEX is "owned" by CCP and CCP only. The kid "lost" the $20 the moment he bought it from his acct management page.

Now, what if he undocked with it in his cargo hold, and he got ganked? Next half of you will be up in arms to ban the ganker!!!

Sure, the scammer was low and scammed a noob!
Did the scammer say ANYTHING in the "Help" channel?
No, he did not, he private convo'd him.
This happens ALL THE TIME with recruitment scams!

Tell the kid to suck it up and say "Welcome to EVE"

/thread

See what I mean, this person learned RL lessons from Eve. Are these the kind of people you want to live with in the RW. Nothing would get done as contracts were studied and looked over by lawyers, and as people worked as hard as possible not to create but to steal.

De'Veldrin

Republic University

Minmatar Republic

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#62 - 2013-01-24 19:26:30 UTC

Mallak Azaria wrote:

He did get the thing that she bought though, he just gave it away to someone.

You and I both know that.

But what do you think he's going to tell mommy?

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.

Viziam Amarr Empire 11,532
James Amril-Kesh Viziam Amarr Empire Likes received: 11,532	#63 - 2013-01-24 19:28:50 UTC I walk up to a man on the street and say "please let me borrow $20, I'll give it back to you", he gives it to me, and I never give it back. Is it theft? Ethically, perhaps. Legally? Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Corey Fumimasa

CFM Salvage

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#64 - 2013-01-24 19:29:25 UTC

Psychotic Monk wrote:

Corey Fumimasa wrote:

Its easy to define a noob. A kid who wants to sell a PLEX his mom got him and who doesn't know how to contract it. That is by definition a noob, and someone that needs a bit of direction.

Okay, so anyone who is a kid that wants to sell a PLEX his mom got him is a noob. Is there anyone else that is a noob? How can you confirm that this person is a kid? Most kids online are instructed to not tell anyone they're a kid. And if kids are going to get special consideration, what's to prevent someone like me from pretending to be a kid?

You cant confirm it, thats why DM's posing as players asking for help would be an effective deterrent.


James Amril-Kesh Viziam Amarr Empire Likes received: 11,532	#65 - 2013-01-24 19:31:26 UTC It would also be an effective waste of their time. Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Corey Fumimasa

CFM Salvage

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#66 - 2013-01-24 19:32:02 UTC

James Amril-Kesh wrote:

I walk up to a man on the street and say "please let me borrow $20, I'll give it back to you", he gives it to me, and I never give it back.

Is it theft? Ethically, perhaps. Legally?

We don't need to define this legally, it is a game and we are all here by the grace of CCP. Like being at a party. If I invited a guest to a gathering and that guest started stealing, scamming, ganking, my other guests I would throw them out. And I wouldn't go get a rule book to explain myself.

Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 4,801
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation Likes received: 4,801	#67 - 2013-01-24 19:32:11 UTC 6 People have this strange tendency to treat new players like they are children when they are actually grown ass men who're entirely capable of making bad decisions for themselves.

Ana Fox

Center for Advanced Studies

Gallente Federation

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#68 - 2013-01-24 19:35:44 UTC

Gelatine wrote:

I'm no lawyer, but if I took $20 dollars off a child, my community would disown me and the law would make me pay - harshly where I live. I'm not aware of a country where theft is lawful actually - I'm going to test my google-fu after I post this to see if there is such a place.

All the mother needs to do is write to her senator/MEP or equivalent. It wouldn't take much of a push for a senator to see EVE promoting terrorism, piracy, theft and scamming to decide that this game isn't something a child should have any part in - perhaps even adults. Now that I think about it, I wouldn't let my kids play EVE either, and I'm starting to think CCP are so childish and immoral that I soon may no longer have patience to tolerate their game further.

Maybe that senator will ask your president to look for weapons of mass destruction in Iceland ,or to go fight against "terror" .

Go play some other game please like NOW.

Corey Fumimasa

CFM Salvage

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#69 - 2013-01-24 19:38:05 UTC | Edited by: Corey Fumimasa

James Amril-Kesh wrote:

It would also be an effective waste of their time.

Like moderating a chat forum for game geeks? If DM scam patrollers remove 50% of noob scammer's and that means that 10 kids per month don't get screwed. And lets say if they did get screwed then 70% of them would leave. So for a few hours of DM time 7 subs were saved. I actually think that is a great use of DM time. Better than answering petitions about lost items and bugged missions all day.

James Amril-Kesh

Viziam

Amarr Empire

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#70 - 2013-01-24 19:38:49 UTC | Edited by: James Amril-Kesh

Corey Fumimasa wrote:

James Amril-Kesh wrote:

It would also be an effective waste of their time.

Like moderating a chat forum for game geeks? If DM scam patrollers remove 50% of noob scammer's and that means that 10 kids per month don't get screwed. If those kids did get screwed then 70% of them would leave. So for a few hours of DM time 7 subs were saved. I actually think that is a great use of DM time. Better than answering petitions about lost items and bugged missions all day.

They don't moderate the forum or the in game chat. It's rare that they even use it.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Koinuun Kotei 10,603
Bagrat Skalski Koinuun Kotei Likes received: 10,603	#71 - 2013-01-24 19:40:37 UTC 1 Quote: EVE is a harsh and unforgiving place... But you can't scam noobs Why? If they have ISK and are careless, they should by able to learn a lesson. Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!

Corey Fumimasa

CFM Salvage

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#72 - 2013-01-24 19:50:31 UTC | Edited by: Corey Fumimasa

James Amril-Kesh wrote:

Corey Fumimasa wrote:

James Amril-Kesh wrote:

It would also be an effective waste of their time.

They don't moderate the forum or the in game chat. It's rare that they even use it.

That is a good way to drag the argument off topic.

Stealing from new players is wrong, it is impolite, and it is not a "good lesson about life". It will drive new blood away from the game. It is not funny or challenging content. It is wrong.

If CCP enbedded ID codes on all PLEX and spent some time baiting such scammers then Eve would be a better place with more new subscribers. In fact it would be an even darker less forgiving place for those that are after that kind of content.

Stealing PLEX from a new player is wrong and there are ways to punish those who do so.

It's All About Me 11,530
Mr Epeen It's All About Me Likes received: 11,530	#73 - 2013-01-24 19:52:28 UTC \| Edited by: Mr Epeen Bagrat Skalski wrote: Quote: EVE is a harsh and unforgiving place... But you can't scam noobs Why? If they have ISK and are careless, they should by able to learn a lesson. Eve is a harsh and unforgiving place...but CCP still needs to turn a profit. Does that make it any clearer? Mr Epeen

Staner Industries 483
Wyke Mossari Staner Industries Likes received: 483	#74 - 2013-01-24 19:54:30 UTC \| Edited by: Wyke Mossari 3 So much miss-information posted with so much confidence. "Scamming is part of the game, the only place it is not allowed is in the help channels. "

Corey Fumimasa

CFM Salvage

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#75 - 2013-01-24 19:59:15 UTC | Edited by: Corey Fumimasa

Wyke Mossari wrote:

So much miss-information posted with so much confidence.

"Scamming is part of the game, the only place it is not allowed is in the help channels. "

Thats a thread about the Help channel. And While I'm sure that ISD Charginmoose knows his stuff he is not CCP Charginmoose

Also even if that thread was in context it is no reason that things cannot change.

Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 7
Cawfield Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore Likes received: 7	#76 - 2013-01-24 20:03:59 UTC Corey, do you still have the character name of this person? If so, could you PM it to me? I'd like to send this kid some ISK *Yes, I'm being serious. http://diaryofadredditor.wordpress.com


Bagrat Skalski Koinuun Kotei Likes received: 10,603	#77 - 2013-01-24 20:06:25 UTC 1 Quote: Eve is a harsh and unforgiving place...but CCP still needs to turn a profit. Does that make it any clearer? CCP never made any new player thinking EVE is like any other game. This game is famous for its player generated deceit. Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!

Doomheim 123
Diamond Bull Doomheim Likes received: 123	#78 - 2013-01-24 20:07:29 UTC 1 I've personally always though the nature of PLEX meant it really should be handled with a different set of rules. No undocking with it in your cargo and no scamming it etc. Unlike any other item it results from the conversion of real money into an in game item. Once a PLEX is converted into time or ISK its truly an in game thing. That stuff is fair game.