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Anthar Thebess
#41 - 2013-01-24 12:07:37 UTC
To be honest - i pay for playing in this game.
If CCP wants to add mini transactions to the game - let it be "ship painting" not something that will directly affect the game.

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Ildryn
IDLE INTENTIONS
#42 - 2013-01-24 13:56:46 UTC
If it is under 5500 Aurum i dont think it is pay to win.
I never bought Aurum and have 5500 so its free :)
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#43 - 2013-01-24 14:00:55 UTC
Stegas Tyrano wrote:
Would it be pay to win if, CCP sold drones for AUR that lets you look through gates and see what's on the other side? Doing this exists in the form of paying RL currency for a second account, why not scale price/functionality down and give us these camera spy drones thingies that look like this.


0/10 no

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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#44 - 2013-01-24 14:03:54 UTC
Stegas Tyrano wrote:
Would it be pay to win if, CCP sold drones for AUR that lets you look through gates and see what's on the other side?


Why not just jump the gate in a noob ship, they are free...

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
#45 - 2013-01-24 14:04:15 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
I don't like the precident.


Dont do it silens!!!!

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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#46 - 2013-01-24 14:09:06 UTC
We already have pay to win.

It's called Plex.

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#47 - 2013-01-24 14:12:04 UTC
Orzo Torasson wrote:
Alternatively, you could not fly your big and slow aligning ship unscouted through lowsec. It's free, too.


I already have 2 of the types of drones the OP mentions. One is my alt scout, the other are these things I call "flesh and blood people I made Friends with".

"Gate Scouting Drones" would simply be more -single player stuff in a multiplayer game- and wouldn't even be a good idea for CCP as it would mean fewer subscriptions (who needs an alt scout when you can simply use your drone bay?).
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#48 - 2013-01-24 14:15:36 UTC
Vaal Erit wrote:
Scouts are for noobs. I freakin' MAN-jump into every gate I come across. Jumped into 8 man gate camp in low sec today in my slow tanked ship and survived np. OP needs a heavy dose of L2P.


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eddie valvetino
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#49 - 2013-01-24 14:26:40 UTC
Stegas Tyrano wrote:
Would it be pay to win if, CCP sold drones for AUR that lets you look through gates and see what's on the other side? Doing this exists in the form of paying RL currency for a second account, why not scale price/functionality down and give us these camera spy drones thingies that look like this.


Since the moment CCP allowed the Legal sale of PLEX on the market and before that, thru ETC trading is has been play to win.

All the time, chaps like me (my whole eve life is funded by RL cash converted to ISK via the sale of PLEX) then eve will be pay to win.

It's shockly naive to think anything else really.

Yes there are other ways of making isk, but it's still a pay to win model.

Like it or not.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#50 - 2013-01-24 14:29:25 UTC
Buhhdust Princess wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
I don't like the precident.


Dont do it silens!!!!

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I see what you did there.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#51 - 2013-01-24 14:31:49 UTC
Paying for even a single EvE subscription is pay to win..... apparently. Smile

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Stegas Tyrano
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2013-01-24 15:02:46 UTC
Due to the positive feedback from this thread, I'll be running for CSM in the upcoming elections.

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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#53 - 2013-01-24 20:55:48 UTC
I want a nice looking unicorn with lasers and enough CPU for 2 XL-ASB's !

Other than that, I do not agree with OP proposal.

Think about it, flying unicorns !

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Dr No Game
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#54 - 2013-01-24 20:57:12 UTC
dexington wrote:
Stegas Tyrano wrote:
Would it be pay to win if, CCP sold drones for AUR that lets you look through gates and see what's on the other side?


Why not just jump the gate in a noob ship, they are free...

I had this revelation yesterday, while flying my <900k SP, no-implant alt around HiSec in a noobship. WTF am I flying for... this clone is worthless, I can just podjump everywhere I need to be! It's nice not having to worry about replacing implants or upgrading that disposable clone!
Merouk Baas
#55 - 2013-01-24 21:28:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Merouk Baas
How about PLEX for a drone that jumps through the gate and broadcasts to Local "Incoming Merouk Baas, flying (ship) with (actual value) billion ISK cargo value, make way, clear the area, stand aside!" then blinks red 3 times and self destructs like a firework?

To make it easier for me to travel.

Cause I don't want to travel unannounced.

And cause I like red.
Niveuss Nye
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2013-01-24 21:36:48 UTC
Say what you wish, but so far Eve seems to have a decent balance that is not pay to win.

This community also seems to hold the game company more accountable to possible crud than other game communities. And, unlike other companies at least appear at least act on any major community anger.

As far as alts/ multiboxing - that is on EVERY MMO. If someone wants that playstyle of an RTS and wants to run 5 or more accounts while paying a huge subscription (or PLEXING with a semi-afk miner guy) so be it. Not my cup of tea, but I could see the draw of controling my own private fleet and having multiple playstyles to draw from.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#57 - 2013-01-24 23:22:14 UTC
eddie valvetino wrote:
Stegas Tyrano wrote:
Would it be pay to win if, CCP sold drones for AUR that lets you look through gates and see what's on the other side? Doing this exists in the form of paying RL currency for a second account, why not scale price/functionality down and give us these camera spy drones thingies that look like this.


Since the moment CCP allowed the Legal sale of PLEX on the market and before that, thru ETC trading is has been play to win.

All the time, chaps like me (my whole eve life is funded by RL cash converted to ISK via the sale of PLEX) then eve will be pay to win.

It's shockly naive to think anything else really.

Yes there are other ways of making isk, but it's still a pay to win model.

Like it or not.
No it's not. You're shockingly wrong to think it is.

When people pay real life cash for a Plex, they pay for game time. This game time doesn't magically disappear when swapped for ISK. It still remains game time until used or destroyed.

At no point does a Plex do any of the following. Turn into ISK, ships, modules, prostitutes, Quafe. Yes it can be swapped for those items, but it remains and always will remain as game time. You know, the thing people paid for.

This also means Eve is not Free2Play, as even if someone swaps their ISK for a Plex, that Plex and it's promise of game time has been paid for. You know, the thing people paid for.

The worst it could be accused of, is Pay2GetStuffWithoutGrindingOrWaitingForISK. Which is not the same thing.

Now IF the Plex spawned items, then you may have a point. But as it doesn't and it's role is and always will be game time, you're talking out your arse.

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Celly Smunt
Neutin Local LLC
#58 - 2013-01-25 00:13:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Celly S
Mag's wrote:
eddie valvetino wrote:

snipped other stuff....

All the time, chaps like me (my whole eve life is funded by RL cash converted to ISK via the sale of PLEX) then eve will be pay to win.

It's shockly naive to think anything else really.

Yes there are other ways of making isk, but it's still a pay to win model.

Like it or not.

No it's not. You're shockingly wrong to think it is.

When people pay real life cash for a Plex, they pay for game time. This game time doesn't magically disappear when swapped for ISK. It still remains game time until used or destroyed.

At no point does a Plex do any of the following. Turn into ISK, ships, modules, prostitutes, Quafe. Yes it can be swapped for those items, but it remains and always will remain as game time. You know, the thing people paid for.

This also means Eve is not Free2Play, as even if someone swaps their ISK for a Plex, that Plex and it's promise of game time has been paid for. You know, the thing people paid for.

The worst it could be accused of, is Pay2GetStuffWithoutGrindingOrWaitingForISK. Which is not the same thing.

Now IF the Plex spawned items, then you may have a point. But as it doesn't and it's role is and always will be game time, you're talking out your arse.

This post was brought to you by the letter G.


^^This ^^

+1

o/
Celly

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#59 - 2013-01-25 00:38:39 UTC
Get free trial account --> make noob char --> fly new alt through gate ahead of main.

Why pay aur for drone when free trial alt is FREE?

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#60 - 2013-01-25 00:45:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Felicity Love
Stegas Tyrano wrote:
Would it be pay to win if, CCP sold drones for AUR that lets you look through gates and see what's on the other side?


I foresee a new Planetary Interaction product where one buys MONOCLES and combines them with existing PI Camera Drones to create the "ACME Uber-spy Drone"...

Should only cost about 4 PLEX per drone that way.... RollRollRoll

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