EVE General Discussion

Make no mistake: I have very little interest in Dust 514. And I like a good FPS.
Wolfenstein 3D, Doom, Duke Nukem, Dark Forces, Tribes, Quake I and II, Mechwarrior 2/Mercs, Wolfenstein and WET, Battlefield 1942, 2 and 3, and COD, have all found a place on my PCs over the last 20 years.

But consoles are pretty sad and I will never buy a Playstation.

Still, had a chance to try out DUST briefly though. And I just shook my head in wonderment. All I could say was: painful.
It just wasn't fun. Sitting there fiddling with the controls - it was like being hit in the head with a cudgel. "Don't enjoy this game. Don't. You WILL NOT enjoy first person shooters anymore!!!"

Even for beta. I mean, I've seen ugly betas before. I'm trying out MWO right now. But its just ugly, jerky, serious balance issues, and just can't see it getting much better. And several generations behind what most people expect from a modern FPS. All I could think was wannabe 'Tribes' - except this isn't 1997 anymore, and Tribes was actually fun. Even with superficial improvements - the 'skeleton' of the game is just a stunted mess that all the plastic surgery in the world won't help.

Even the 'link' between EVE and Dust - "bombardment" is so tenuous and artificial, it just comes off as a shallow gimmick.

Yeah, yeah - They are trying to draw in new blood, but this will fail. Average console gamers simply aren't going to bother with Dust, not when DICE and other 'quality' developers are around. CCP will, in reality, likely only capture the small subset of EVE players who happen to already have a PS3 - and will tolerate the "warts", simply because its related to EVE.

Daikatana style trainwreck, IMO.

And it wouldn't really bother me all that much. What do I care if some game I'll never play flops? Except....
..... I think of all the manhours that CCP wasted on it - manhours that could have been spent on EVE. Issues like:

-critical balancing
-lag improvement
-new ships
-badly needed iterations of 'old' expansion content.

When you wonder why it takes 2 years for CCP to finally get around to doing something meaningful with the POS update, or why we've not seen a good Apocrypha style expansion in years.....its not that they couldn't do it. But they sunk their time into DUST 514 instead.

With luck, hopefully Dust 514 doesn't take us straight into the carrier deck.
Hopefully the structural changes were made in management, post Incarna that will keep the EVE ship afloat when Dust is long forgotten.

...just leaving future EVE players to wonder what all those strange "infantry items" are cluttering up the market window.

You say that, But CCP did well getting a deal with Sony.

Dust comes shipped with new PS3 at no extra cost and Also you're complaining about the controls?! Well your a PC gamer ofc a Console controller is gonna be weird to you :|

I enjoy the way DUST plays. Others agree with me.

Make of that what you will. You're entitled to your opinion, but don't go basing statements about how well the game's going to do off of your own anecdotal experience. Ultimately, the metric that will tell CCP whether the game's a success or not isn't forum feedback from individuals. Metrics like money, player numbers, server activity and number of downloads paint a far more complete picture than either of our (completely subjective) opinions on whether we personally like or dislike the way the game handles.

Personally, I don't understand what the big deal is about the graphics. I can't see anything wrong with them at all, and for my money they in no way interfere with the quality of the gameplay.

Plug in a mouse and keyboard and all the whining about joypads being crap becomes a non issue.

The game has flaws but its fun even using the basic suits. I'm no fan boy for dust though, I only pick it up when targets in eve are few and far between but it's not the trainwreck I feel many would like it to be.

I do happen to agree with most of the opinions shared by the op. It's difficult to understand if your an EVE player which doesn't stray from the game, but if your well versed with other games then the failings of Dust514 certainly ring true. I'm sure their were limitations which CCP as a company must deal with which aren't found in larger triple-A studios which cause their product to lag behind, however at this point the game is hardly worth releasing. Only die hard EVE fans will appreciate the effort put into the fps, and choose playing it over any of its competetion.

The people who are interested in EVE don't own PS3's, they own PC's. They tried the game out on the PC, hated it and quit but they liked the vision - so they want to get involved but again they don't own PS3's they own PC's. DUST should of been a PC shooter, Sony is sitting in debt - I doubt they will last the year.

TL;DR:
I like FPS on the PC.
I hate consoles.
I played Dust on a friends console for 20 minutes.
I now feel qualified to write a scathing review and rant about all the wasted development time CCP spent not pleasing me.

It doesn't matter if OP's time spend on DUST was relevant or not, you have to keep in mind that the average console player won't spend much more time on a f2p before making the choice of trying the game more or freeing disk space.

Also, as an EVE player I see Dust as an incoming fail :
Orbital bombardment ? It's crap, and EVE players don't even get a reward for it, nor fire something else than small ammo.
Mercenary system ? Great, you can't transfer money, make private contracts... Volunteer mercenarism then.

Given the difference between Apocrypha or Dominion where whole new features where released, and now where you can't even expect a new POS system without "multiple developpment cycles", it's clear that our money went into this sinking PS3 game. Making a stagnating EVE (compared to what could have been done otherwise) and some bad advertising that will just deceive console players and make sure that they will never try the space-MMO that was linked to the f2p crap shooter they used to play for a few hours once.

Most likely this.

I hate console controllers myself, especially for an FPS.

But our family ended up with a PS3 for Christmas though, and with a keyboard and mouse, I'm enjoying the barebones content beta goodness that Dust provides for free.

I do.

EVE is also free, for a 3 week trial.
EVE has been around for almost 10 years.
What's my point? My point is, people who wanted to try EVE, have tried EVE, they had 10 years to do it in. If they didn't stick around, Dust won't make them stick around or come back.

And need I remind you Dust is PS3 and EVE is PC? If you don't have a PC, you can't play EVE! So, all those console bunnies without even a half-decent PC? Even if they want to play EVE, are they going to go out and fork over a grand or two just for EVE? Laughable, when most of us here won't even pay $300 for a PS3 for Dust.

I'm with the OP on t his - Dust was a good idea in theory, but it should have been on PC and either standalone or better yet built right into EVE. On PS3 it'll do nothing for EVE, and likely won't survive by itself. Time will tell, and I'll be more than happy to come here and admit to being a total jackass if I turn out to be wrong. But based on previous experience, I'm very likely right. I just hope CCP learns something from it, though as far as lessons go this is going to be a rather expensive one.