Player Features and Ideas Discussion

thanks for posting

You can easily do it in a battleship too.
If you have issues doing it, then it's your issue alone.

There is *no* need to make it even easier than it already is !

Get the **** out of my game !

I'll help here.

We choose lowsec and low security status because it's more fun than anywhere else in game. Sure, removing the faction police would be good and would allow for us to actually look for people to engage us in high sec, but just removing faction police won't work, because repping a pirate gives you global flag = concord kills you.

As much as this would be a decent idea to give pirates more freedom, it wouldn't work, but tbh I didn't want that freedom anyway so.. yeah!

-Buhhd

According to the Crimewatch page, that's no longer true. Aiding an outlaw just gives you a Suspect flag. Only aiding a Criminal (Concord's on it's way) will give you a Criminal flag.

I haven't tested it, since there's no reason for me to be in HS beyond travelling or suicide ganking, but that's what it says.

Tell me exactly how an outlaw gang can focus fire in a fight (i.e. not a suicide gank) against a vigilante gang.

Vigilantes represented by V(number), Outlaws by O(number)
Vn points On => Each On can shoot their paired Vn and only that Vn.
V1 - Vn shoot O1 => Each On is shooting their paired Vn, and O1 can shoot all V, but he's dead now.
V1-Vn shoot O2 => etc.


Yes, Logis are irrelevant for Outlaws in HS right now. The OP is suggesting a mechanical change that could alter that.

So you're saying that, in HS, you have figured out a way to shoot those who have not shot(stole/etc) you first without being CONCORDed?

You could always stop ganking hulks go steal from a cargo container and fly around in your battleship looking for good fights?

*edit*

I mean basically what you're asking for is to have outlaws function the same as suspects in HighSec, you want to be flagged to everyone but not be attacked by the NPC Navy.
That option is in the game and quite easy to get flagged for, you said you have a highsec alt have him follow you around in a hauler with t1 ammo drop one unit and loot every 15mins.

You're now under threat from everyone in EVE without the NPC Navy shooting you!

What you're asking for is making there even less hassle for suicide gankers, people who want to gank hulks can now just dock get a new ship once their GCC runs out and fly off again without having to worry about fittings to make the ship faster to avoid the Navy.

No, my main isn't -10, but I am aware of how Faction Police and Concord work - and, to a degree, how to evade them.

As I usually work solo, I don't use RR frequently, but my understanding is that RRing an outlaw = GCC and Concord death.
Which is a significant disadvantage for being an outlaw in highsec, as it means that pirates would not be able to assist each other in any meaningful way, beyond scouting and providing warp-in points.

Outlaws cannot (legally) shoot a vigilante unless engaged first. They cannot RR their gangmates (unless this was changed in Crimwatch 2.0, ofc) An equivalent gang of vigilantes could easily take down a rival gang of outlaws - simply by focusing fire (and using RR if available).

As far as Solstice is concerned:

Lots of abuse here, very few concrete arguments. I think you need to back it up with more than a few assertions to the contrary.

Your killboard doesn't really say a whole lot.

Congratulations, you are a smalltime dessie ganker that doesn't bother turning a profit, because you don't scan your targets first. Your victims, often as not probably don't even care that you blew up their ship ......because they were mostly empty.
You nab a nice pod once in awhile, but we all can do that.
If you think that makes you a 'terrorist' as opposed to a random ganker, great. whatever.

My priority always was making targets lose as much as ISK as possible, not just blapping random frigates.
But I also know that some people enjoy to have more traditional fights. I don't really see why it can't occur between outlaws and 'self-selecting' vigilantes in highsec without NPC police getting involved.

AND I'm talking about outlaws and vigilantes having more sustained contact that just hit and run volley ganks. As in, longer than 30 seconds.

I have a better idea. Post in the right forum! FID

Essentially, Outlaws would be a 'permanent' suspect status, that doesn't time out after 15 minutes.

.....WITH the additional (and significant) disadvantage of not being legal RR/Sebo/etc targets. Its an important distinction.

Even IF Faction Police were removed - the odds would be heavily stacked against outlaws in highsec, to the point where I'm not sure if many WOULD run around in highsec for lulz.


The hassle you talk about for suicide ganking? It just doesn't exist. I'll explain why:

A) undock Instas....they get you past vigilantes as well as Faction Police. Undock, insta out, warp to target, kill.
B) Orcas can hold a Tornado AND three Catalysts in its Maintenence Bay simultaneously. Pop one out and gank, no fancy fitting required, you are gone long before the Police even appear on grid.

Like Solstice know-it-all said - even battleships can evade Faction Police. I've done it in a Bombing Typhoon plenty of times.
And destroyers carry most of the ganking load these days anyway - even the slowest fattest dessie can evade faction police indefinitely. Ganking just isn't really affected significantly by Faction police, one way or the other.

What Faction police do interefere with, is a -10 pirate entering highsec in, say, a Hurricane, getting scrammed by vigilante Harbinger...and then having a 'real' fight. NPCs jump in and ****-punch the 'Cane.

Result: The 'cane won't put itself in a position to have that kind of fight in the first place.

And if nobody wants to fight the outlaw? Well, so what? Doesn't affect anyone else, other than having to see red skulls in local.