These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE Information Portal

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Dev blog: Team Super Friends does numbers

First post First post
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Kais Fiddler
Perkone
Caldari State
#81 - 2013-01-23 23:00:00 UTC
The ratio is negotiable; the effect though would be amusing. I'd be interested in how many people would buy out bounties against them at a simple 1:1 ratio compared to a 2:1 or 5:1. A lot of people seem to be unduly upset at the bounty changes, which I don't really understand unfortunately.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#82 - 2013-01-23 23:00:12 UTC
mkint wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Kais Fiddler wrote:
If people have a major issue with having bounties placed on them why not allow them to buy off the bounty on a 1:1 basis. If there is a 1 billion isk bounty placed on a character allow that individual to clear their name for a small offering of 1 billion isk.
This also has a nice isk sink effect.


2:1 would be a better ISK sink Blink

An expiration, like EVERY OTHER FORM OF CONTRACT IN THE GAME, would make more sense from every possible perspective. But apparantly nobody at CCP is actually concerned with making bounties not stupid. They are just concerned with doctoring numbers to make themselves feel better about an expansion cycle spent on ultimately pointless work rather than actually make it not-stupid.

No.
An expiration date on bounties in game, just as in real life, would be pointless and silly... which is probably why you posted it. Smile

View the latest EVE Online developments and other game related news and gameplay by visiting Ranger 1 Presents: Virtual Realms.
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#83 - 2013-01-23 23:08:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Bienator II
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Kais Fiddler wrote:
If people have a major issue with having bounties placed on them why not allow them to buy off the bounty on a 1:1 basis. If there is a 1 billion isk bounty placed on a character allow that individual to clear their name for a small offering of 1 billion isk.
This also has a nice isk sink effect.


2:1 would be a better ISK sink Blink

actually it has to be 5:1. Since its 20% payout.

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Panhead4411
Rothschild's Sewage and Septic Sucking Services
The Possum Lodge
#84 - 2013-01-23 23:13:30 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Panhead4411 wrote:
Now that you've run the numbers, how many ppl have the token 100k-300k bounties from when they answered questions in the Help Channel?


We don't know the reason people placed bounties on them


Thank you for your sarcastic remark while actually avoiding the question.

Punkturis, you are one of the cooler Dev's in my mind, please don't lose it by being like the others and avoiding the answers you don't want to know.

http://blog.beyondreality.se/shift-click-does-nothing    < Unified Inventory is NOT ready...
CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#85 - 2013-01-23 23:16:33 UTC
Panhead4411 wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Panhead4411 wrote:
Now that you've run the numbers, how many ppl have the token 100k-300k bounties from when they answered questions in the Help Channel?


We don't know the reason people placed bounties on them


Thank you for your sarcastic remark while actually avoiding the question.

Punkturis, you are one of the cooler Dev's in my mind, please don't lose it by being like the others and avoiding the answers you don't want to know.


I was being serious.. we don't know that someone had bounty placed on him because he was in the help channel....

♥ EVE Brogrammer ♥ Team Five 0 ♥ @CCP_Punkturis ♥
mkint
#86 - 2013-01-23 23:40:27 UTC
Kais Fiddler wrote:
The ratio is negotiable; the effect though would be amusing. I'd be interested in how many people would buy out bounties against them at a simple 1:1 ratio compared to a 2:1 or 5:1. A lot of people seem to be unduly upset at the bounty changes, which I don't really understand unfortunately.

People who are upset are so because bounties aren't a means for punishment or revenge. They are a harassment tool. I'm willing to bet most bounties are done for the minimum amount, and are either random or against people who draw attention to themselves by being actively helpful. The bounty system is punishment for trying to contribute to the community. Why the hell would anyone want to be part of a community when devs punish people for being active?

The bounty system is mostly a failure, and propaganda blogs like this one are designed to hide it.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#87 - 2013-01-23 23:58:20 UTC
insert into forum_likes (
to_user_no,
post_no,
from_user_no
)
select
punkturis_posts.user_no as to_user_no,
punkturis_posts.post_no as post_no,
shiptoaster.user_no as from_user_no
from (
select
user_no,
post_no
from forum_posts
inner join forum_users using (user_no)
where character_name = 'CCP Punkturis'
) punkturis_posts, (
select user_no
from forum_users
where character_name = 'Liang Nuren'
) shiptoaster
;

-Liang

Ed: Formatting. It sucks. There's probably a [pre] but... /shrug

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#88 - 2013-01-23 23:58:27 UTC
Panhead4411 wrote:
Punkturis, you are one of the cooler Dev's in my mind, please don't lose it by being like the others and avoiding the answers you don't want to know.


Aside from the total lack of sarcasm in CCP Punkturis's reply (trust me, I'm Australian, our native language is Sarcastic English: there was absolutely no way you could interpret her response as sarcastic), what is the point of knowing how many people in Help channel received token bounties?

My friends and alts have received token bounties for chatting in NPC corp chat, being in local in Trossere, being in a system with an ice belt, being in Jita, speaking in Help chat, posting on forums, or having a name that starts with "A", "B", "C" or "D". What information do you hope to divine from something as trivial as "proportion of people in Help chat who have bounties placed on them for being in Help chat"?

Maybe you need to ask yourself why you take bounties so personally. People aren't placing bounties on others because there is hatred or death threats involved: they are placing bounties because they can, and that is the only way of showing you they care. There is no "like" button ingame, but there is F1 or "add bounty".

Day 0 Advice for New Players
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#89 - 2013-01-24 00:19:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Athena
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Panhead4411 wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Panhead4411 wrote:
Now that you've run the numbers, how many ppl have the token 100k-300k bounties from when they answered questions in the Help Channel?


We don't know the reason people placed bounties on them


Thank you for your sarcastic remark while actually avoiding the question.

Punkturis, you are one of the cooler Dev's in my mind, please don't lose it by being like the others and avoiding the answers you don't want to know.


I was being serious.. we don't know that someone had bounty placed on him because he was in the help channel....

A non-sarcastic answer would be

"nnnn people have bounties of 300k or less, but we do not know why they got those bounties placed on them."

Or even better:

"nnnn people had bounties of 300k or less placed on them while they had the Help channel up, but we do not know why they got those bounties placed on them."

Edit: Or even better:

"nnnn people had bounties of 300k or less placed on them within 5 minutes of chatting in the Help channel, but we do not know if their chat activity was the cause of them getting a bounty".

Know a Frozen fan? Check this out

Frozen fanfiction
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#90 - 2013-01-24 00:52:24 UTC
mkint wrote:
Kais Fiddler wrote:
The ratio is negotiable; the effect though would be amusing. I'd be interested in how many people would buy out bounties against them at a simple 1:1 ratio compared to a 2:1 or 5:1. A lot of people seem to be unduly upset at the bounty changes, which I don't really understand unfortunately.

People who are upset are so because bounties aren't a means for punishment or revenge. They are a harassment tool. I'm willing to bet most bounties are done for the minimum amount, and are either random or against people who draw attention to themselves by being actively helpful. The bounty system is punishment for trying to contribute to the community. Why the hell would anyone want to be part of a community when devs punish people for being active?

The bounty system is mostly a failure, and propaganda blogs like this one are designed to hide it.


You are one angry person.



I'm sad that Punkturis didn't reply to my earlier post. Sad

Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal
Bam Stroker
The Graduates
The Initiative.
#91 - 2013-01-24 00:53:08 UTC
So... many... graphs... *gurgle*

EVE Down Under - a community for players in the AUTZ

In-game channel: evedownunder // Twitter: @evedownunder

https://www.facebook.com/evedownunder
Polly Oxford
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#92 - 2013-01-24 00:54:00 UTC
Panhead4411 wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Panhead4411 wrote:
Now that you've run the numbers, how many ppl have the token 100k-300k bounties from when they answered questions in the Help Channel?


We don't know the reason people placed bounties on them


Thank you for your sarcastic remark while actually avoiding the question.

Punkturis, you are one of the cooler Dev's in my mind, please don't lose it by being like the others and avoiding the answers you don't want to know.


Your posting actually makes me want to go into the help channel and put bounties on people. The only reason being that people like you are annoyed by it.

Also I'm gonna make the bounties 301k, so they don't show up in the weird and pointless statistic you want. In this case the correct answer truly is: 'the logs show nothing'
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#93 - 2013-01-24 03:50:04 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
why you people hate pink!!!

the pie chart is pink just for fun, if you have a hard time seeing different shades of pink I'll tell you the legends on the right of the pie chart are in order of the amount, the highest amount on top, lowest on bottom (highest then being displayed as the biggest slice of pie P)


I like pink, but not for personal use. 
zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub
Stealthy
New Eden Ninja Mining Consortium
#94 - 2013-01-24 04:06:32 UTC
while this is interesting

HOW does the new usage of bounties compare to past usage?

didnt see any comparisons made

also could you in the future use shades of color that arent in the same part of the color family? Usually for a graphic primary colors are used I guess because they contrast vs one another so you can tell them apart when the color key to the graph is measured in mm X mm. Real gamers arent into fuschia



and fyi graphs are used to make info more easy to understand or to convey a point-the reader should NOT have to analyze that the color key goes clockwise from largest to smallest -->if that were the case you could just use one color
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#95 - 2013-01-24 06:50:35 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
"nnnn people had bounties of 300k or less placed on them within 5 minutes of chatting in the Help channel, but we do not know if their chat activity was the cause of them getting a bounty".


By looking for numbers in this way you are tainting the information with your own question. There is no way to link the placing of a bounty to the motivation for that bounty. Trying to figure this out from the information available (i.e.: timestamped chat logs alongside bounty logs) will obliterate what information was out there, because you are attempting to filter through a clearly biased set of constraints.

Your urgent desire to have this information will taint the information even further, since you will use such numbers as "proof" that people being victimised for posting in Help chat.

Why is it so important to you to form this link? Did you get a bounty placed on you while you were chatting in Help?

Day 0 Advice for New Players
CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#96 - 2013-01-24 06:55:10 UTC
I didn't notcie your post because we posted at the EXACT SAME MINUTE! Big smile

mynnna wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Panhead4411 wrote:
Now that you've run the numbers, how many ppl have the token 100k-300k bounties from when they answered questions in the Help Channel?


We don't know the reason people placed bounties on them


This needs to change. Players should be able to specify a reason, even if it's just limited to one line or something. Blink


yeah I like the idea, kind of like when you set standings towards someone, you can choose to leave a message with it.. but I'm not sure it will get done

mynnna wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
Question: When you blow someone up the payout is based on the "Pend insurance value". Is there any way to find this value for an item other than blowing it up?


nope, it's a Super Friends secret Pirate

That's what YOU think. Twisted


I know you're trolling me!

♥ EVE Brogrammer ♥ Team Five 0 ♥ @CCP_Punkturis ♥
CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#97 - 2013-01-24 06:58:01 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Panhead4411 wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Panhead4411 wrote:
Now that you've run the numbers, how many ppl have the token 100k-300k bounties from when they answered questions in the Help Channel?


We don't know the reason people placed bounties on them


Thank you for your sarcastic remark while actually avoiding the question.

Punkturis, you are one of the cooler Dev's in my mind, please don't lose it by being like the others and avoiding the answers you don't want to know.


I was being serious.. we don't know that someone had bounty placed on him because he was in the help channel....

A non-sarcastic answer would be

"nnnn people have bounties of 300k or less, but we do not know why they got those bounties placed on them."

Or even better:

"nnnn people had bounties of 300k or less placed on them while they had the Help channel up, but we do not know why they got those bounties placed on them."

Edit: Or even better:

"nnnn people had bounties of 300k or less placed on them within 5 minutes of chatting in the Help channel, but we do not know if their chat activity was the cause of them getting a bounty".


sorry if you got the feeling I was being sarcastic in my reply because this time I wasn't, I thought his request was a literal request and as I said we don't have that information.

had the question been "how many bounties were placed with 100k ISK" I could have replied that is information we have and we might look into displaying it

(if you have noticed we haven't replied with any additional information, mostly because we just had one hack day where we put together this blog. we're also doing other stuff!)

♥ EVE Brogrammer ♥ Team Five 0 ♥ @CCP_Punkturis ♥
CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#98 - 2013-01-24 06:59:41 UTC
Stealthy wrote:
while this is interesting

HOW does the new usage of bounties compare to past usage?

didnt see any comparisons made



we didn't comparisons in the blog because everybody knows the old system was only used for people promoting themselves and scamming

♥ EVE Brogrammer ♥ Team Five 0 ♥ @CCP_Punkturis ♥
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#99 - 2013-01-24 07:01:46 UTC  |  Edited by: mynnna
CCP Punkturis wrote:

yeah I like the idea, kind of like when you set standings towards someone, you can choose to leave a message with it.. but I'm not sure it will get done

How hard can it be to literally just copy/paste the standings message code and trigger it off a bounty instead (note I am a mechanical engineer not a software guy...)

CCP Punkturis wrote:


mynnna wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
Question: When you blow someone up the payout is based on the "Pend insurance value". Is there any way to find this value for an item other than blowing it up?


nope, it's a Super Friends secret Pirate

That's what YOU think. Twisted


I know you're trolling me!


That's what YOU think. Twisted

Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal
CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#100 - 2013-01-24 07:07:16 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Punkturis
mynnna wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:

yeah I like the idea, kind of like when you set standings towards someone, you can choose to leave a message with it.. but I'm not sure it will get done

How hard can it be to literally just copy/paste the standings message code and trigger it off a bounty instead (note I am a mechanical engineer not a software guy...)


too hard Mynnna, too hard!

mynnna wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:


mynnna wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
Question: When you blow someone up the payout is based on the "Pend insurance value". Is there any way to find this value for an item other than blowing it up?


nope, it's a Super Friends secret Pirate

That's what YOU think. Twisted


I know you're trolling me!


That's what YOU think. Twisted


I know more than you think I know Cool

♥ EVE Brogrammer ♥ Team Five 0 ♥ @CCP_Punkturis ♥