EVE General Discussion

Neither dueling, nor arenas, may be categorized as sandbox or theme park. Just because a theme-park game has arenas, doesn't preclude a sandbox game from setting up arenas in a way that fits its own style.

The same goes for dueling, and the current implementation only restores functionality.

I'm not in favor of it, but Eve could have arenas with betting that were still subject to interference, and it would be a sandbox version of arenas. The key to the sandbox is that the rules may be broken by any player, and such a player must simply face the consequences of breaking the rules.

If there were a system created such that the rules could not be broken, that's when we have to worry. So instancing of arenas so that no one can shoot players in a duel or arena would be bad for Eve, and would be a theme-park style of implementation. But giving players a way to set up a tournament in hi-sec where anyone could still come along and spoil it, that's sandbox-style.

I would agree with the characterization that NPC-oriented mechanisms tend to fit in the category of theme parks. But dueling and arenas can be implemented where the focus is still interaction between players, and is not driven by NPCs at all. To use your example, if CCP provided a mechanism for escort contracts where one player can specify payment and conditions of a successful trip to another player, this would not be a theme park feature.

Adding a bucket and a shovel to the sandbox doesn't make it any less of a sandbox.

I don't mind the dueling option at all. In fact I'm looking forward to gathering statistics on how many idiots accidentally push "accept" or simply put too much stock into the "without intervention" bit.

That said, I would oppose any sort of "nobody can **** with you here" mechanic. Nerf docking!

It isn't, and I still maintain there's nothing wrong with adding mechanisms to the game that help facilitate those activities. It would be wrong (for Eve) to have those mechanisms preclude other players knocking over the sand castle or stealing the bucket, so to speak.

I don't. I typically try to avoid it.

Tbh It appears most of nullsec has adopted consensual pvp.

"Wargames" online.

If I had to give an opinion, I'd say that it is more to do with the notion of a player going around sending invites to PvP than anything else. If you think about it, in the context of EVE, that is rather absurd.

Actually, just read Tyberius Franklin's response above.

You're basically asking if a deliberate, core design choice - one that defined the type of game EVE was and allowed it to thrive for a decade - was wrong.

Oh my.

As for people who "don't consent" to pvp when they log in, that's just a nonsensical stance to me, considering the nature of the game. It's like saying you didn't consent to getting shot at when you started up counterstrike and joined a server.

This also. Is like an F16 fighter pilot flying around on our cities and asking other fighter pilot to engage just for fun. And police ive them license for it.

The main issues aren't that 1v1 duels are allowed. Its that they are allowed in High Sec.

Low sec and 0.0 are under populated, this is the core of the game or should be in most peoples opinion. Allowing people to have structured fights in High sec can potentially reduce the number of people venturing out to Low Sec and 0.0. i mean why risk getting blob'd in Low or 0.0 when you can stay protected by Concord and PvP in High Sec?

Also there were many ways to have your 1v1. Log onto a test server, got to 0.0/low sec or war dec each others corp. It didnt need coding time that could have been better spent on the endless list of other improvements/fixes that are much more important than adding something that was already available via a number of channels.

And if its extended to arena that will make matters worse. why roam around low populated Low or Null sec looking for a fight in your group and risk meeting a bigger group when you can log onto the forums find a fight and then hook up in Jita to fight it out.

The whole idea is against what I believe was CCP original design, get to grips with Eve in High Sec then move out to Low/Null.

It's termed carebare because it is seen as such in games like WOW aswell. It was done mainly by the noobs and fools in WOW outside Stormwind on PvE servers. If you want PvP grow some balls and enter a PvP server, if you cannot hack PvP dont do it. You got some of these types defending it saying its practise for teh real thing but you never saw them in the real thing, and better practise would be going out and doing the real thing.